蓝田散采

yjr123 · 发表于 2008-6-22 08:01:00

23回合再改进一下，是否可胜？

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667 · 发表于 2008-6-22 08:24:00

667 · 发表于 2008-6-22 08:25:00

667 · 发表于 2008-6-22 08:26:00

667 · 发表于 2008-6-22 08:27:00

667 · 发表于 2008-6-22 08:27:00

667 · 发表于 2008-6-22 08:28:00

667 · 发表于 2008-6-22 08:29:00

凌云子 · 发表于 2008-6-19 22:14:00

引用聯吟客的发言:

這樣走紅優, 是否能勝還須研究!

我认为上图结尾仍可和!

可惜朱先生等不上网无法交流.......

yjr123 · 发表于 2008-6-20 18:02:00

本局古谱上的结论也是炮六平二为正，炮六退八为劣，我认为结论是正确的。

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★星海★ · 发表于 2008-6-20 18:11:00

这样较有希望，黑走不好会输。

凌云子 · 发表于 2008-6-21 21:33:00

第2.3.4楼主变第29着红炮四平六可胜!!!

谁有朱诠<上海文化>版竹谱的此局着法呢?

[此贴子已经被作者于2008-6-21 21:34:50编辑过]

凌云子 · 发表于 2008-6-21 22:21:00

667 · 发表于 2008-6-22 08:29:00

667 · 发表于 2008-6-22 08:29:00

667 · 发表于 2008-6-22 08:30:00

667 · 发表于 2008-6-22 08:30:00

负能量 · 发表于 2008-6-22 12:58:00

哇塞。

谢谢667分享。

凌云子 · 发表于 2008-6-23 21:38:00

谢谢667分享。

上面应是<江湖排局集成>的着法吧?

但我想要-------朱鹤洲先生在（2000年1月上海文化出版社出版）《竹香斋》诠注本的此局着法.

667 · 发表于 2008-6-24 09:33:00

《竹香斋象戏谱》

作者清)张乔栋辑朱鹤洲诠注　页数:823页
【作　者】(清)张乔栋辑朱鹤洲诠注
【丛书名】中国象棋古谱大系
【形态项】 823页 ; 20cm
【读秀号】000000012494
【出版项】上海文化出版社 , 2000
【ISBN号】 7-80646-079-9 / G891.2
【原书定价】￥36 网上购买
【主题词】中国象棋古谱(棋类运动)古谱(棋类运动)中国象棋
【参考文献格式】(清)张乔栋辑朱鹤洲诠注. 竹香斋象戏谱. 上海文化出版社, 2000.

不能下载，抽空翻一下纸质的书吧。

凌云子 · 发表于 2008-6-24 22:06:00

凌云子 · 发表于 2008-6-27 22:33:00

凌云子 · 发表于 2008-6-27 22:37:00

凌云子 · 发表于 2008-8-5 11:34:00

象棋研究今年第4期再1次发表了蓝田散采.

首着退炮打车还是认为可和?

凌云子 · 发表于 2009-1-3 19:27:37

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dave7788 · 发表于 2010-9-21 10:38:32

本帖最后由 dave7788 于 2010-9-21 11:47 编辑

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2010-9-22 01:29:23

12樓的局有規則問題,我以前改了一局可以沒有規則糾紛的局勢走和,大家研究參考看看

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2010-9-22 02:01:56

這樣還有變化

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2010-9-22 07:39:37

也是和,炮打象應是好棋

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