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标题: 请教<双兵连营>这变成立吗？ [打印本页]

作者: zzk132 时间: 2011-4-2 10:51
标题: 请教<双兵连营>这变成立吗？
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作者: dave7788 时间: 2011-4-2 11:16
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作者: dave7788 时间: 2011-4-2 11:21
第11回合黑改走象5进3的胜法如果成立，就可放弃象5退3的变化。

作者: zzk132 时间: 2011-4-2 12:41
还需要将象5退3说明白怎样和局。

作者: zzk132 时间: 2011-4-2 12:47
白老师：这是《热门棋局揭秘》的双兵连营，不管棋局结果黑胜或者和局，请教这变化黑胜成立吗？ [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]6499659959999999417482049999149999999999309942999984994847997838[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_adddate]2006-7-14 2:23:00[/DhtmlXQ_adddate] [DhtmlXQ_editdate]2008-10-23 1:44:00[/DhtmlXQ_editdate] [DhtmlXQ_title]双兵连营[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_length]368[/DhtmlXQ_length] [DhtmlXQ_type]排局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_class]江湖残局[/DhtmlXQ_class] [DhtmlXQ_event]火烧连营系列[/DhtmlXQ_event] [DhtmlXQ_round]七子联吟[/DhtmlXQ_round] [DhtmlXQ_date]2000-10-10[/DhtmlXQ_date] [DhtmlXQ_place]重庆市巫山县[/DhtmlXQ_place] [DhtmlXQ_result]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_author]龚伟[/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_hits]639[/DhtmlXQ_hits] [DhtmlXQ_owner]667[/DhtmlXQ_owner] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]6460426082626042747048495949844449594441626030316061414065473848476540607071313214134220132332427174606561636555744455536365535565635553446478792333535864685851636151216867424161634140636120420414426014242151334351586768585461646082[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_move_2_55_1]6661515061635054243454846343426067478444436344846343[/DhtmlXQ_move_2_55_1] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_50_2]2126616626561424565166464030463651313323318167373040364681413739414639794224[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_50_2] [/DhtmlXQ]

作者: 豫东棋人 时间: 2011-4-2 15:51
回复 5#zzk132 钟志康老师还需要将象5退3说明白怎样和局？ [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999659959999999997161049999239999999999429920999960999999997848[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_adddate]2006-7-14 2:23:00[/DhtmlXQ_adddate] [DhtmlXQ_editdate]2008-10-23 1:44:00[/DhtmlXQ_editdate] [DhtmlXQ_title]双兵连营[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_length]368[/DhtmlXQ_length] [DhtmlXQ_type]排局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_class]江湖残局[/DhtmlXQ_class] [DhtmlXQ_event]火烧连营系列[/DhtmlXQ_event] [DhtmlXQ_round]七子联吟[/DhtmlXQ_round] [DhtmlXQ_date]2000-10-10[/DhtmlXQ_date] [DhtmlXQ_place]重庆市巫山县[/DhtmlXQ_place] [DhtmlXQ_result]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_author]龚伟[/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_hits]639[/DhtmlXQ_hits] [DhtmlXQ_owner]667[/DhtmlXQ_owner] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]23336065334342327175204243423242616442320414656975056989[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_7_1]6141323143426545[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_7_1] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_5_2]71707879707565647574642474642421041432316162313062612122646220426263426061626082142422522434525463675484[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_5_2] [DhtmlXQ_move_2_6_3]6585704085454060787961654546656646446064[/DhtmlXQ_move_2_6_3] [DhtmlXQ_move_2_9_4]43333242757464247464242104144241616241406261204264672126616626563332565466465444466644341424422466642402676634046667022464662442664604444666443466464030466642606664608264663484[/DhtmlXQ_move_2_9_4] [/DhtmlXQ] 还需要将象5退3说明白怎样和局。

作者: 豫东棋人 时间: 2011-4-2 15:58
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作者: dave7788 时间: 2011-4-2 22:14
7楼11回合象5进3的变化，首成的帖子认为是红方不变作负。11回合象5退3的变化，首成的帖子是和棋，请参阅；5l楼、7楼第25回合象5退7好棋；但炮3进5也是黑胜，第32回合炮9平5？改走将5平4，黑可胜（此时的局面软件就可以解开）。

作者: dave7788 时间: 2011-4-2 22:19
我对火烧连营不太感兴趣，因红开始阶段时有长打黑卒勉强依赖旧规作和的变化。

作者: dave7788 时间: 2011-4-2 22:29
还需要将象5退3说明白怎样和局。 ——钟老师：我个人认为不去说也行。如果将红胜的变化中每一处走劣而不胜都说明白；将黑胜的变化中每一处走劣而不胜也都说明白，那一本书300页的话，就是3000页也未必说得清楚。据说，有的棋局征答答卷一局棋写出一本书的厚度，其写法可能就是这样吧。不过，劣变中有特别精彩的着法加以说明还是有必要的。

作者: dave7788 时间: 2011-4-3 10:08
6楼第4回合时，首成的帖子红方是走炮二退一，结果为红胜（？！）。

作者: zzk132 时间: 2011-4-4 10:37
本帖最后由 zzk132 于 2011-5-7 21:12 编辑

白老师：
我对火烧连营也不太感兴趣，因红开始阶段时有利用长打黑卒依赖旧规勉强作和的变化，不符合现大陆棋规，这就需要走这棋时说明用什么棋规。
因这是棋局揭秘棋书，既然是“揭秘”，就应该尽量向读者交代清楚变化。现将首成修改的古局《双兵连营》着法展现出来，望棋友完善，如认为有多余着法也可以精简，首成的注解我没有拟出是想使大家脱离他的思路，谢谢大家！
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_85]和局。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_85]
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作者: zzk132 时间: 2011-4-4 11:00
本帖最后由 zzk132 于 2011-4-4 11:11 编辑

白老师：
我对火烧连营也不太感兴趣，因红开始阶段时有利用长打黑卒依赖旧规勉强作和的变化，不符合现大陆棋规，这就需要走这棋时说明用什么棋规。
因这是棋局揭秘棋书，既然是“揭秘”，就应该尽量向读者交代清楚变化。现将首成修改的古局《双兵连营》着法展现出来，望棋友完善，如认为有多余着法也可以精简，首成的注解我没有拟出是想使大家脱离他的思路，谢谢大家！
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作者: dave7788 时间: 2011-4-4 12:34
本帖最后由 dave7788 于 2011-4-4 17:49 编辑

钟老师：
您的认真态度令人钦佩！
我对校局有些伤心！辛辛苦苦整出来过六本了，但看到的却大不一样，很不是滋味。
再说几句题外的话，“火烧连营”即使在棋摊最盛行时也是偶尔见到。“三战吕布”算比较简单吧，曾有两位工友（棋艺也可）问我怎样走，我看着他俩对练了一个多钟头，非常熟练，甚至天衣无缝了，但他们始终也没敢去棋摊比量。好像是该比量的不揭秘他也比量，不想去的揭秘再好他也不去。何况，很多棋局都不可能象“三战吕布”那样解拆的那么清楚。当然，揭秘不是让人们去棋摊，主要还是研究。我现在想，也许出版社是对的，还是尽量保持作者的原文，大的错处改改即可，谁也不可能整的完全无错。

作者: dave7788 时间: 2011-4-4 12:53
江湖棋局曾于上世纪80年代在报刊书籍上着实火了一把，经过一段时间的冷清，又抬头了，使本不太火的现代排局出版更难了。恕我直言，观目前所谓揭秘的书，基本都是虚构的，无真实性。但是，写书可能就须这样，有夸张，艺术性嘛。假如我来写，也是要有虚构的成分，可艺术性方面还远远不如人家呢。

作者: dave7788 时间: 2011-4-4 13:01
本帖最后由 dave7788 于 2011-4-4 18:01 编辑

本局是古谱《蕉竹斋》中“马失污泥”的改进局，20世纪80年代后期开始流行于街边棋摊，作者佚名。
我曾在本溪钢铁公司总医院门前看到一伙利用此局串通行骗的。一个蔫弱的年轻人摆棋设摊，观者逐渐增多。忽然，有一位壮汉挤到前面大声说：“红车下底就赢啦！”见没人搭理，他就弯腰把车走下去“将军”，问摊主黑怎么办？摊主反问：“你下不下？输赢10元。”壮汉象没听见似的，口说手拿，你垫马，我杀马，你落象，我吃了，你下士，我再吃，你输了。棋被他走到这儿就显而易见了，终于有人忍不住接茬道：“退炮反将，黑胜。” “谁说的？谁说黑胜？不会下棋呀？！”“到底谁不会下，这不是明显垫炮车有‘将’么！”摊主在接茬者说话时不紧不慢地把棋子摆回原样。壮汉指着棋说：“什么‘将’？哪来的‘将’？”接茬者说：“你那么走不行。”“怎么不行？”摊主插话了，称赞接茬的。壮汉坚决不服，但不与摊主过分争执，却反复引逗接茬者下彩赌这盘棋。摊主见接茬的在犹豫，就怂恿道：你和他干，赌多少你赢多少。接茬者禁不住诱惑，同意赌棋。壮汉要赌200，而退炮的只有100。那就100吧，双方把钱放在摊主手中，以防对方赖帐。两人均在摊主对面蹲下，壮汉执红先行，车一进五照，接茬者以为片刻就赢，也就在原地伸手走马６退８；以下是车一平二，象５退７；车二平三，士５退６；红当然不会去用车吃士，而是走兵三平四！显而易见，壮汉就是个“棋托”，平常的观者哪能那么咋咋呼呼、比比划划的。可是，我也没想到上当那人接下来连前卒平2都走不出来，竟走了车7退9？兵六进一，将4平5；兵四进一，士6进5；兵六平五，红胜。如果黑走出正着最后和了还不难想象，假如“托”走错而负，那时将是什么样子？可惜，至今没有亲眼看到，只是听说某人赢了串通行骗的很多钱并顺利拿走了，那伙人并未大吵大闹，而是派人跟到较僻静处采取威胁的手段将钱要回去了。报上也登载过，“摊主”见“托”的形势不好，就趁人不注意带钱溜了，待受骗人发觉时，“托”也装出同样受害的样子，使真正的受害人无可奈何。
江湖棋局的特点是布下红方可连照速胜或势强必胜的假象以诱人入彀，如果看成是个“馅饼”，那就必然落入陷阱。
现将本局的变化介绍如下：

——这个真实，但钱数等是虚的，请参见《江湖棋摊见闻》。

作者: 沉默 时间: 2011-4-4 19:37
双兵连营，黑的走象5退3的话，红的可以不用长抽走和。

作者: zzk132 时间: 2011-4-20 15:03
白老师：
黑走象5进3，25着兵七平六改炮二退三，这样变严谨吗？还有更好的变化吗？

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作者: dave7788 时间: 2011-4-20 16:29
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作者: zzk132 时间: 2011-4-20 18:19
本帖最后由 zzk132 于 2011-4-20 18:22 编辑

回复 19# dave7788
改为这样行吗？
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作者: dave7788 时间: 2011-4-20 20:57
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作者: 高原红 时间: 2011-4-21 02:08
个人认为如该局按钟老师的拟着应诠为红先黑胜。但该局主着法第11回合时不走兵八进一而改走兵九进一结局又会怎样呢？[DhtmlXQ]
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作者: 高原红 时间: 2011-4-21 02:23
回复 22# 高原红

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作者: 湖中蛟 时间: 2011-4-21 08:58
回复 20#zzk
第43着可进兵

作者: 湖中蛟 时间: 2011-4-21 10:15
回复 20#zzk
退象变第52着打炮

作者: zzk132 时间: 2011-4-21 10:49
回复 24# 湖中蛟
进兵，这样行吗？
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作者: zzk132 时间: 2011-4-21 10:54
回复 25# 湖中蛟
52着，退象，21楼白老师已诠正，谢谢！

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2011-4-21 12:00
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作者: 湖中蛟 时间: 2011-4-22 05:27
回复 20#zzk132
这样可以吗?
13 炮二退四炮7进5  14 炮三退三炮7平6
15 炮二平三炮6退1  16 兵九进一卒9进1
17 兵七平六将5退1  18 兵六进一

作者: 湖中蛟 时间: 2011-4-22 07:41
回复20#zzk132
退象局第60着如炮6进3 黑仍可胜
这变怎么样?
27 兵六进一象5退7 28 兵八平七象7进9
29 兵七平六炮3平6 30 兵六平五

作者: bh22wsc 时间: 2011-4-22 08:55
回复 31# 湖中蛟

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[DhtmlXQ_comment15_20]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14_14]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_24]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment26]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7]黑此变还是赢不了[/DhtmlXQ_comment7]
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作者: 沉默 时间: 2011-5-1 11:17
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]去年七八月份打的谱，可能有很多错漏的地方。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3]解杀还杀，攻守两用之着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13]此时形势，两卒闯入九宫，另一卒潜伏８路；红虽多炮多兵，但阵容非常零散，双兵遥远，对黑将暂无威胁，只能运用双炮的阻挠纠缠，以求谋和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment13]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21]争取时间，驱兵迫王[/DhtmlXQ_comment21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22]象5退3这步棋，以前的棋谱都认为黑胜,其实不然,红棋依然可以走和!红棋和法非常细腻，稍有不慎将要输棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment30]黑进底卒是最有力的走法[/DhtmlXQ_comment30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment41]及时[/DhtmlXQ_comment41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment48]以前不懂得走后炮进一，走到这里基本都认输了，[/DhtmlXQ_comment48]
[DhtmlXQ_comment49]红棋平兵不逃炮，与前面后炮进一配合妙不可言！这步棋是视娱乐里一棋友走出来的，可以说这两步棋改变了双兵黑胜的结论（那时都是走象5退3的）。[/DhtmlXQ_comment49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment71]和![/DhtmlXQ_comment71]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_64]也是和棋![/DhtmlXQ_comment1_64]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_50]误![/DhtmlXQ_comment2_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_55]红胜![/DhtmlXQ_comment2_55]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_56]和![/DhtmlXQ_comment3_56]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_55]关键![/DhtmlXQ_comment4_55]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_64]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_64]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_59]红胜![/DhtmlXQ_comment5_59]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_39]平兵照将是为了避免后面黑象进5再进7速胜，后面棋友棋缘走出了炮1进1妙招定下黑胜结论。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_50]取胜关键之着!![/DhtmlXQ_comment6_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_51]后炮进四可能是最顽强的，但最终还是要输棋。这种走法还没跟任何棋友探讨过，可能会有很多错漏。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_58]黑定胜![/DhtmlXQ_comment6_58]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_54]误,给了红放退炮的空间,黑棋将无法取胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_54]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_59]误[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_59]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_73]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_73]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_62]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_62]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_74]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_74]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_76]单兵必败[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_76]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_82]单兵必败[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_82]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_51]和定[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14_53]和定[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_30]刚开始研究的时候都是走将4退1，红都是走兵九平八。兵九平八也能和棋，但不如兵五进一简洁明了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_41]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_43]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_42]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_53]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_53]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_41]和定[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_43]黑象上不来，和定[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23_34]红方长要抽吃，不变作负。[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment24_38]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment24_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment24_42]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment24_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25_39]比正变慢一步棋，黑胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment25_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment26_46]红长将，黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment26_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment27_22] 这步棋是去年6月5日在一节无聊的课想出想到的，那时很多人都不甘心的接受了，双兵不长抽也能和棋的结论。走出这步棋后，在草稿本给红的拟了几种走法都难保边兵。课间马上跑去上网，找棋友一起探讨，都难以保下边兵。[/DhtmlXQ_comment27_22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment31_43]和定[/DhtmlXQ_comment31_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment33_34]红棋长抽,不变作负![/DhtmlXQ_comment33_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment33_44]单兵必败。[/DhtmlXQ_comment33_44]
[DhtmlXQ_comment34_16]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment34_16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment35_8]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment35_8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment36_8]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment36_8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment37_8]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment37_8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment38_8]闷杀，黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment38_8]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment68]黑胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment68]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_86]黑胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_86]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_90]黑胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_90]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_65]红胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_65]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_54]黑胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_54]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_52]黑胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_52]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]这局是在上一局的基础上加了七兵，胜和问题也争论了一段时间。红的弃双车双炮走成炮打四兵局面，最后仅用三兵守和。是所有炮打三兵炮打四兵里最精彩的一局。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2011-5-1 17:52
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作者: 沉默 时间: 2011-5-3 14:22
看来15回合只能走炮二退四然后再进兵了，走炮三退三主要是诱惑黑走炮7平9，黑进卒的话红就相当走了一步废棋

作者: 沉默 时间: 2011-5-3 15:05
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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2011-5-3 22:44
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作者: 沉默 时间: 2011-5-4 07:45
所以说此局结论还是黑胜。 52楼第2回合炮7退1红可和，没有九路后兵也可以和。

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2011-5-4 09:37
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作者: 沉默 时间: 2011-5-4 14:05
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[DhtmlXQ_comment17]七八九路都有兵的话都要这样走。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17]
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作者: 沉默 时间: 2011-5-4 14:23
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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2011-5-4 20:30
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作者: 承云医疾 时间: 2011-5-5 20:53
今天终于能够再上《华工》！感谢陆友俊杰！看到大家讨论热火朝天真是很开心！

作者: 邢春波 时间: 2011-5-6 22:06
欢迎高老师！

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