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发表于 2014-12-30 20:19:04 | 只看该作者 回帖奖励 |倒序浏览 |阅读模式
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发表于 2014-12-30 20:32:01 | 只看该作者
按照这么走是黑胜的棋。桑大师
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发表于 2014-12-30 20:57:51 | 只看该作者
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 楼主| 发表于 2014-12-30 21:22:29 | 只看该作者
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发表于 2014-12-30 22:39:38 | 只看该作者
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6#
发表于 2014-12-31 09:17:32 | 只看该作者
第7回合黑方走士4退5可以好像取胜呢。
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7#
 楼主| 发表于 2014-12-31 18:47:19 | 只看该作者
第7回合黑方走士4退5可以好像取胜呢。[/quote] 是第8回合士4退5吧,红可胜. [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]1204475949486999990046142226719968994241315060999929799958999938[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]七贤过关变改局 2[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_result]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_author]将族[/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_owner]将族[/DhtmlXQ_owner] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]223241321211313011104220102030310412314120404151716168611220292040505141505861640005641405454131463631414535141948393839353920402625404725244742586879596861414061604041606141406162424136564050623259393239193949394131[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [/DhtmlXQ]
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8#
 楼主| 发表于 2015-1-1 11:30:05 | 只看该作者
整理一下. [[DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]1204474849599969990046142226719968994241315060999929791638589999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]七贤过关变改局 1[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_result]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_author]将族[/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]2232413212113130111042201020303104123141204041517161686112202920405051415058616958786966787966467971414271724241723246263238262948392927383027473948202200602262493962693938696838394727483768695948272939381617303317273343413148572737384837384858696843333141141329226063225233434151635352725356727813236865585965254353514156267879595879292646294946264946262725262333468633438688585988895958894943334947534347433343[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_comment3_50]缠斗，和棋没有问题！[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_50] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_owner]将族[/DhtmlXQ_owner] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_16_4]58594859292040505141506061716068717768387747384847484948204069771626775879724849404658462636142436460005727005457030[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_16_4] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_16_5]32410001515201612928615152512032413240452848455551415558484647654648587879897888897988897972594816268986262786467242654727286957[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_16_5] [DhtmlXQ_move_4_22_6]6160006016266030413130602636464336466065465665353141433356573338575838325859494859693545204045404140324269594858404142465969142479712434414046457181584869593433817147254041485859494548717633434131[/DhtmlXQ_move_4_22_6] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_30_2]38485948464714134748493948083231414200600809393816263130206030404252406052516063090838390848132326272333273763535141534348433343[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_30_2] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_30_3]382832222026002046472026472722231626234360424839273743424151424151504144375739485756[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_30_3] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_33_8]383929394839[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_33_8] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_73_9]434668635354727454557478585978795958636958596964595879754656641455155141564641511516755546471454166655566665545565695646574846471323384858594757[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_73_9] [DhtmlXQ_move_4_24_1]71516838515949485949485849693834696646166626344441311615324144344132141326565848565515252040483840303444555313125333384830801211324125853338484938394948806044743938484960401121313274724152472538394948395985824042727059584849584849487939707342827333[/DhtmlXQ_move_4_24_1] [/DhtmlXQ]DhtmlXQ]
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发表于 2015-1-3 12:13:29 | 只看该作者
整理一下. [DhtmlXQ][/quote] 桑莫喜老师，第12回合走将6进1好像可以取胜呢？ [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]1204474849599969990046142226719968994241315060999929791638589999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]七贤过关变改局 1[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_result]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_author]将族[/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]2232413212113130111042201020303104123141204041517161686112202920405051415058616958786966787966467971414271724241723246263238262948392927383027473948202200602262493962693938696838394727483768695948272939381617303317273343413148572737384837384858696843333141141329226063225233434151635352725356727813236865585965254353514156267879595879292646294946264946262725262333468633438688585988895958894943334947534347433343[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_comment3_50]缠斗，和棋没有问题！[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_50] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_owner]将族[/DhtmlXQ_owner] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_16_4]58594859292040505141506061716068717768387747384847484948204069771626775879724849404658462636142436460005727005457030[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_16_4] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_16_5]32410001515201612928615152512032413240452848455551415558484647654648587879897888897988897972594816268986262786467242654727286957[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_16_5] [DhtmlXQ_move_4_22_6]6160006016266030413130602636464336466065465665353141433356573338575838325859494859693545204045404140324269594858404142465969142479712434414046457181584869593433817147254041485859494548717633434131[/DhtmlXQ_move_4_22_6] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_30_2]38485948464714134748493948083231414200600809393816263130206030404252406052516063090838390848132326272333273763535141534348433343[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_30_2] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_30_3]382832222026002046472026472722231626234360424839273743424151424151504144375739485756[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_30_3] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_33_8]383929394839[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_33_8] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_73_9]434668635354727454557478585978795958636958596964595879754656641455155141564641511516755546471454166655566665545565695646574846471323384858594757[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_73_9] [DhtmlXQ_move_4_24_1]71516838515949485949485849693834696646166626344441311615324144344132141326565848565515252040483840303444555313125333384830801211324125853338484938394948806044743938484960401121313274724152472538394948395985824042727059584849584849487939707342827333[/DhtmlXQ_move_4_24_1] [DhtmlXQ_move_5_24_7]5152324452514456284846485859[/DhtmlXQ_move_5_24_7] [DhtmlXQ_move_7_27_10]44635152637152517163515240504150634452511424284844565859[/DhtmlXQ_move_7_27_10] [/DhtmlXQ]
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 楼主| 发表于 2015-1-3 18:49:36 | 只看该作者
桑莫喜老师，第12回合走将6进1好像可以取胜呢？[/quote] 多谢回贴,红可胜. [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]1204474849599969990046142226719968994241315060999929791638589999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]七贤过关变改局 1[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_result]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_author]将族[/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]22324132121131301110422010203031041231412040415171616861122032410001515201612928615152512032515232445251400038484939283844635152637152420003795903434232433332427163425263445251338348493938584838486082446351528382[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_comment3_50]缠斗，和棋没有问题！[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_50] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_owner]将族[/DhtmlXQ_owner] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_16_5]2920405051415058616958786966787966467971414271724241723246263238262948392927383027473948202200602262493962693938696838394727483768695948272939381617303317273343413148572737384837384858696843333141141329226063225233434151635352725356727813236865585965254353514156267879595879292646294946264946262725262333468633438688585988895958894943334947534347433343[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_16_5][DhtmlXQ_move_0_16_4]58594859292040505141506061716068717768387747384847484948204069771626775879724849404658462636142436460005727005457030[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_16_4] [DhtmlXQ_move_4_22_6]6160006016266030413130602636464336466065465665353141433356573338575838325859494859693545204045404140324269594858404142465969142479712434414046457181584869593433817147254041485859494548717633434131[/DhtmlXQ_move_4_22_6] [DhtmlXQ_move_5_30_2]38485948464714134748493948083231414200600809393816263130206030404252406052516063090838390848132326272333273763535141534348433343[/DhtmlXQ_move_5_30_2] [DhtmlXQ_move_5_30_3]382832222026002046472026472722231626234360424839273743424151424151504144375739485756[/DhtmlXQ_move_5_30_3] [DhtmlXQ_move_5_33_8]383929394839[/DhtmlXQ_move_5_33_8] [DhtmlXQ_move_5_73_9]434668635354727454557478585978795958636958596964595879754656641455155141564641511516755546471454166655566665545565695646574846471323384858594757[/DhtmlXQ_move_5_73_9] [DhtmlXQ_move_4_24_1]71516838515949485949485849693834696646166626344441311615324144344132141326565848565515252040483840303444555313125333384830801211324125853338484938394948806044743938484960401121313274724152472538394948395985824042727059584849584849487939707342827333[/DhtmlXQ_move_4_24_1] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_24_7]413240452848455551415558484647654648587879897888897988897972594816268986262786467242654727286957[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_24_7][DhtmlXQ_move_0_27_11]44635152637152517163515240504150634452511424284844565859[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_27_11][DhtmlXQ_move_0_27_10]4456284846485859[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_27_10] [/DhtmlXQ]
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sdj
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发表于 2015-1-3 19:50:27 | 只看该作者
粗看了一下，感觉52回合主变有问题。这么复杂的棋局，没有合理注释，很难保证主着法成立。欣赏这样的排局如同欣赏实战对局。
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 楼主| 发表于 2015-1-3 20:16:05 | 只看该作者
sdj 发表于 2015-1-3 19:50
粗看了一下，感觉52回合主变有问题。这么复杂的棋局，没有合理注释，很难保证主着法成立。欣赏这样的排局如 ...

  孙先生说得对,主变末局是复杂,我这软件还给不出好着法,请孙先生指点,谢谢.
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 楼主| 发表于 2015-1-7 20:15:20 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 桑莫喜 于 2015-1-7 20:33 编辑
一杯红酒 发表于 2014-12-30 20:57

红这样可以守和吧.                                                 [DhtmlXQ]
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发表于 2015-1-7 22:00:48 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 杨启忠 于 2015-1-8 13:13 编辑

6回合红炮九退二呢？试拟初步变化仅供参考：


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[DhtmlXQ_comment3]红这样走，可能好些！[/DhtmlXQ_comment3]
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 楼主| 发表于 2015-1-8 18:13:00 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 桑莫喜 于 2015-1-8 18:33 编辑
杨启忠 发表于 2015-1-7 22:00
6回合红炮九退二呢？试拟初步变化仅供参考：

黑这样走呢,谢谢回帖.                                                                                 [DhtmlXQ]
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发表于 2015-1-9 09:56:45 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 杨启忠 于 2015-1-9 11:42 编辑
桑莫喜 发表于 2015-1-8 18:13
黑这样走呢,谢谢回帖.                                                                              ...

17回合，红应炮五进一！

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17#
 楼主| 发表于 2015-1-9 21:45:46 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 桑莫喜 于 2015-1-9 21:52 编辑
杨启忠 发表于 2015-1-9 09:56
17回合，红应炮五进一！

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18#
发表于 2015-1-10 11:15:16 | 只看该作者
桑莫喜 发表于 2015-1-9 21:45
先生,黑这样应可否.                                                                                 ...

家门啦，楼上这棋相当复杂，需仔细斟酌，如楼上26回合红改走炮八退一，试拟一些变供参考：

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 楼主| 发表于 2015-1-10 18:18:17 | 只看该作者
杨启忠 发表于 2015-1-10 11:15
家门啦，楼上这棋相当复杂，需仔细斟酌，如楼上26回合红改走炮八退一，试拟一些变供参考：

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发表于 2015-1-11 11:40:53 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 杨启忠 于 2015-1-11 12:01 编辑
桑莫喜 发表于 2015-1-10 18:18
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嗯，我漏算了黑车砍士的手段，此变红劣，故26回合红炮八退一不好。你在17楼给出的最后结果显示红优，一个问题是：红是否还有更好的应法？如19回合，兵七平八可否？试拟个别变化，你再仔细斟酌斟酌

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发表于 2015-1-11 14:36:24 | 只看该作者
桑莫喜 发表于 2015-1-10 18:18
黑方有机会.

19#,22回合，红改走兵七平六呢？

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[DhtmlXQ_comment3]红这样走，可能好些！[/DhtmlXQ_comment3]
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 楼主| 发表于 2015-1-11 19:01:44 | 只看该作者
杨启忠 发表于 2015-1-11 14:36
19#,22回合，红改走兵七平六呢？

先生,按2搂菜鸟先生提示,1搂着法演变为黑胜,也就是说,我们讨论的变着应是和棋,但我用的是最简单的巫师,可能解不了此变,而且20回合前就有问题,但黑关健着我没找到.
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发表于 2015-1-11 19:07:21 | 只看该作者
这样演变下去会如何？

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 楼主| 发表于 2015-1-11 19:51:41 | 只看该作者
yjr123 发表于 2015-1-11 19:07
这样演变下去会如何？

多谢余老师
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