蜂舞蝶飞闹花丛（时鑫试拟）

sdndsx · 发表于 2016-3-20 14:11:33

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sdndsx · 发表于 2016-3-20 15:23:11

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sdndsx · 发表于 2016-3-20 15:30:21

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yanyun 发表于 2016-3-20 15:11
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谢谢您！

是这样吗？
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zhang48129 · 发表于 2016-3-21 11:07:44

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sdndsx · 发表于 2016-3-21 12:09:00

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zhang48129 发表于 2016-3-21 11:07

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zff9876 · 发表于 2016-3-21 12:32:37

上楼的五路红马似乎可以去掉，并不影响43回合胜的结论？！
另外 时老师 您拟的局似乎也能增至43回合胜，并且红全部攻子都动过！！
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zhang48129 · 发表于 2016-3-21 13:49:28

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sdndsx · 发表于 2016-3-21 21:47:41

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zff9876 发表于 2016-3-21 12:32
上楼的五路红马似乎可以去掉，并不影响43回合胜的结论？！
另外时老师您拟的局似乎也能增至43回合胜， ...

谢谢您！

学生我是在弈不容辞老师对拙作改尾增着局（10楼）的基础上，尝试增着的。
改头增着不易。改尾增着更难！

以上局面的尾盘，都存在两种变化，两次燕尾双叉了。因为是普通连将胜，渴盼能够消除。
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如何改进提高，特别是尾盘如何消除燕尾双叉，还请老师们赐教！谢谢！

sdndsx · 发表于 2016-3-21 22:19:20

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附01：

纯人脑试拟原局
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我的改拟原局
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我的再改局
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sdndsx · 发表于 2016-3-21 22:20:41

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附02：

弈不容辞老师的改尾增着局
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高原红 · 发表于 2016-3-21 22:55:59

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sdndsx · 发表于 2016-3-22 08:32:51

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高原红发表于 2016-3-21 22:55

谢谢您！

学生我的试解
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高原红 · 发表于 2016-3-22 10:43:02

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高原红 · 发表于 2016-3-22 14:31:10

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高原红 · 发表于 2016-3-22 14:47:19

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高原红 · 发表于 2016-3-22 17:03:11

本帖最后由高原红于 2016-3-22 17:08 编辑

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湖艓 · 发表于 2016-3-22 18:04:29

高原红发表于 2016-3-22 17:03

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湖艓 · 发表于 2016-3-22 19:09:10

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sdndsx · 发表于 2016-3-22 22:15:44

谢谢高原红和胡艓两位老师！点赞！献花！握手！

完成本职工作，刚刚回家。回复迟慢，敬请老师多加原谅！谢谢！

学生我先不试解了。只想向老师们汇报我的感想：

1 高原红老师13——15楼改尾增着（高达57回合），就是棒！但六路红兵没有走动。
2 高原红老师在16楼38回合，首先做到了红方攻子全动！
3 胡艓老师在17楼做到了红子全动47回合！
4 胡艓老师在18楼做到了红子全动60回合！
5 改头和改尾的增着局面，都非常精彩！学生我最喜欢（我不太会表达，如有得罪，敬请包涵）16楼、17楼！理由是：着法精妙而用子节约。
6 学生我的直觉是：还有改进提高的空间（不一定对）。

高原红 · 发表于 2016-3-23 00:48:54

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sdndsx · 发表于 2016-3-23 08:22:39

本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2016-3-23 08:45 编辑

高原红发表于 2016-3-23 00:48

谢谢您！握手！点赞！鲜花！
20楼61回合（增加1个回合）！敬佩！
您是首位改尾增着（着法唯一）38回合（16楼）的老师！
胡艓老师是首位设置五.七位红兵 47回合（17楼）的老师！
网络时代的排局改进提高，能够集思广益，就是好！
众人拾柴火焰高！

sdndsx · 发表于 2016-3-23 08:24:30

本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2016-3-23 09:04 编辑

学生我小结一下：

1 学生我纯人脑时代的《五子连珠》20回合（双方各五子，连将不吃子）详见9楼图1。
2 联吟客老师首次提出：二路红兵后退一格，可实现红方攻子全动。
3 学生我想自改成双方兵种相同。详见9楼图2.
4 弈不容辞老师首次指出：红有速胜法。详见9楼图2。
5 弈不容辞老师首位改尾增着24回合（普通连将胜，尾盘燕尾双叉）。增加了4回合！详见10楼。
6 学生我再改局20回合（双方各五子，连将不吃子，兵种都相同，结局仍双叉）。联吟客和弈不容辞两位老师验证：可以成立。详见9楼图3.
7 学生我以弈不容辞老师改尾增着24回合的局面为基础，尝试改头增着（40回合）。详见2楼
8 YANYUAN和zff9876 两位老师给出43回合的改局跟帖。详见3楼和6楼。
9 高原红老师给出57回合的改局跟贴（六路红兵没有走动）。详见15楼。
10 学生我提出尾盘燕尾双叉。请求改进提高。详见8楼。
11 高原红老师在16楼38回合（改尾局面），首先做到了红方攻子全动，着法唯一！
12 胡艓老师是首位设置五.七位红兵 47回合（17楼）的老师！跟帖局面高达60回合！
13 高原红老师 20楼61回合！又增加了1个回合！

sdndsx · 发表于 2016-8-10 07:39:08

本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2016-8-10 08:06 编辑

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