大九连环之残局，结局如何？

yuntao云涛 · 发表于 2014-4-21 09:28:07

此时是白宏宽【新九进中原】正解第27回合黑方软着卒4平5后至32回合形成的图形，原局黑胜 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999958999999504099019999999999999999419999997599993899990599[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_event]九连环系列[/DhtmlXQ_event] [DhtmlXQ_date]2011-8-3[/DhtmlXQ_date] [DhtmlXQ_place]法国巴黎[/DhtmlXQ_place] [DhtmlXQ_title]白宏宽修改大九连环[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_author]zqhuang[/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_remark]zqhuang[/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_result]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_type]排局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_group]散局[/DhtmlXQ_group] [DhtmlXQ_comment0]红先，结局如何？[/DhtmlXQ_comment0] [DhtmlXQ_movelist][/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [/DhtmlXQ]

yuntao云涛 · 发表于 2014-4-21 09:33:18

原局黑胜 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999949999999797877014666418199999999509999995299022838990499[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_event]九连环系列[/DhtmlXQ_event] [DhtmlXQ_date]2011-8-3[/DhtmlXQ_date] [DhtmlXQ_place]法国巴黎[/DhtmlXQ_place] [DhtmlXQ_title]白宏宽修改大九连环[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_author]zqhuang[/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_remark]zqhuang[/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_result]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_type]排局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_group]散局[/DhtmlXQ_group] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]77475257784802728171724241515751716151617959504047426166484766684232403059503031473731413747413149596869595869494737314150514140324249465152464737334041585938484248474852514140515040413330484959582838304041315060384858574979574748384757314157587975605004050111051511211525[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_comment2_99]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_99] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_54_1]49415857313040504151574751535052303160613132614153594142323142225949475731415242494222424142[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_54_1] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_68_2]15162120161750531727534341314353757858572737535131325153787053333242335370775758777858573848534342324333324240487848333748465758[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_68_2] [DhtmlXQ_comment64]||如图[/DhtmlXQ_comment64] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_54]正确，黑可以胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_54] [DhtmlXQ_comment2_68]已知道的原来传统走法||，黑偏软易和[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_68][DhtmlXQ_comment68]如图，如果这样会怎么样？||||以下变化极其复杂[/DhtmlXQ_comment68][DhtmlXQ_comment54]黑软着致和，不过以下变化极其复杂精彩，绝不亚于《小征东》的残局；正确的应该是车5退8黑可以胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment54] [/DhtmlXQ]

大征西 · 发表于 2014-4-26 19:37:45

[DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999958999999504099019999999999999999419999997599993899990599[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_event]九连环系列[/DhtmlXQ_event] [DhtmlXQ_date]2011-8-3[/DhtmlXQ_date] [DhtmlXQ_place]法国巴黎[/DhtmlXQ_place] [DhtmlXQ_title]白宏宽修改大九连环[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_author]zqhuang[/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_remark]zqhuang[/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_result]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_type]排局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_group]散局[/DhtmlXQ_group] [DhtmlXQ_comment0]红先，结局如何？[/DhtmlXQ_comment0] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]01110515112115252120253550533545534341314353454658597579595879765351313251534656404932425859383949477679595879785859566653524241525141425157786857876848875739494749484959584948585948465752424152514142515042412030413150406656404656463040[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_13_1]5351313251537576535446564049324254534241585938394947767959587978585956665343413143636656635356665357314120307868575141425157666757566848564642324636324236396768[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_13_1] [DhtmlXQ_comment13]这样呢？[/DhtmlXQ_comment13] [DhtmlXQ_comment3_17]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_17] [DhtmlXQ_move_3_18_2]4656[/DhtmlXQ_move_3_18_2] [DhtmlXQ_comment3_20]黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_20] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_17_3]5859765653564656[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_17_3] [DhtmlXQ_comment37]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment37] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_39_5]87824241828141428187394947494849595849485859484587576667[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_39_5] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_39_4]87806667[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_39_4] [DhtmlXQ_comment59]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment59] [/DhtmlXQ]

yuntao云涛 · 发表于 2014-4-27 11:48:23

[/quote] [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999958999999504099019999999999999999419999997599993899990599[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_event]九连环系列[/DhtmlXQ_event] [DhtmlXQ_date]2011-8-3[/DhtmlXQ_date] [DhtmlXQ_place]法国巴黎[/DhtmlXQ_place] [DhtmlXQ_title]白宏宽修改大九连环[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_author]zqhuang[/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_remark]zqhuang[/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_result]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_type]排局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_group]散局[/DhtmlXQ_group] [DhtmlXQ_comment0]红先，结局如何？[/DhtmlXQ_comment0] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]01110515112115252120253550533545534341314353454658597579595879765351313251537666[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_13_1]5351313251537576535446564049324254534241585938394947767959587978585956665343413143636656635356665357314120307868575141425157666757566848564642324636324236396768[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_13_1] [DhtmlXQ_comment13]这样呢？[/DhtmlXQ_comment13] [DhtmlXQ_comment3_17]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_17] [DhtmlXQ_move_3_18_2]4656[/DhtmlXQ_move_3_18_2] [DhtmlXQ_comment3_20]黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_20] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_17_3]5859765653564656[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_17_3] [DhtmlXQ_comment7_37]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_37] [DhtmlXQ_move_6_39_5]87824241828141428187394947494849595849485859484587576667[/DhtmlXQ_move_6_39_5] [DhtmlXQ_move_6_39_4]87806667[/DhtmlXQ_move_6_39_4] [DhtmlXQ_comment6_59]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_59] [DhtmlXQ_move_7_38_6]6848875739494749484959584948585948465752424152514142515042412030413150406656404656463040[/DhtmlXQ_move_7_38_6][DhtmlXQ_comment7_38]||和[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_38] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_20_7]465640493242585938394947767959587978585956665352424152514142515778685787666787824241828141408187686959586768584869494838685887804041808141428188392988584947585042412030474838374818[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_20_7][DhtmlXQ_comment20]||红怎么办[/DhtmlXQ_comment20] [/DhtmlXQ]

大征西 · 发表于 2014-4-27 16:30:17

[/quote] [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999958999999504099019999999999999999419999997599993899990599[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_event]九连环系列[/DhtmlXQ_event] [DhtmlXQ_date]2011-8-3[/DhtmlXQ_date] [DhtmlXQ_place]法国巴黎[/DhtmlXQ_place] [DhtmlXQ_title]白宏宽修改大九连环[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_author]zqhuang[/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_remark]zqhuang[/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_result]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_type]排局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_group]散局[/DhtmlXQ_group] [DhtmlXQ_comment0]红先，结局如何？[/DhtmlXQ_comment0] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]01110515112115252120253550533545534341314353454658597579595879765351313251537666535232315253[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_13_1]5351313251537576535446564049324254534241585938394947767959587978585956665343413143636656635356665357314120307868575141425157666757566848564642324636324236396768[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_13_1] [DhtmlXQ_comment13]这样呢？[/DhtmlXQ_comment13] [DhtmlXQ_comment3_17]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_17] [DhtmlXQ_move_3_18_2]4656[/DhtmlXQ_move_3_18_2] [DhtmlXQ_comment3_20]黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_20] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_17_3]5859765653564656[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_17_3] [DhtmlXQ_comment7_37]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_37] [DhtmlXQ_move_6_39_5]87824241828141428187394947494849595849485859484587576667[/DhtmlXQ_move_6_39_5] [DhtmlXQ_move_6_39_4]87806667[/DhtmlXQ_move_6_39_4] [DhtmlXQ_comment6_59]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_59] [DhtmlXQ_move_7_38_6]6848875739494749484959584948585948465752424152514142515042412030413150406656404656463040[/DhtmlXQ_move_7_38_6] [DhtmlXQ_comment7_38]||和[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_38] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_20_7]465640493242585938394947767959587978585956665352424152514142515778685787666787824241828141408187686959586768584869494838685887804041808141428188392988584947585042412030474838374818[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_20_7] [DhtmlXQ_comment20]||红怎么办[/DhtmlXQ_comment20] [DhtmlXQ_comment23]黑仍难胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment23] [/DhtmlXQ]

yuntao云涛 · 发表于 2014-9-26 14:50:09

[/quote] [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999957999999604099019999999999999999319999994999994899990499[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_event]九连环系列[/DhtmlXQ_event] [DhtmlXQ_date]2011-8-3[/DhtmlXQ_date] [DhtmlXQ_place]法国巴黎[/DhtmlXQ_place] [DhtmlXQ_title]白宏宽修改大九连环[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_author]zqhuang[/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_remark]zqhuang[/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_result]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_type]排局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_group]散局[/DhtmlXQ_group] [DhtmlXQ_movelist][/DhtmlXQ_movelist][DhtmlXQ_comment0]黑先[/DhtmlXQ_comment0] [/DhtmlXQ]

象棋法官 · 发表于 2014-9-26 22:02:59

此局早有定论。既知是歧途，就该迷途知返。如果再得出个”正和”的结论，岂不是误导人？

yuntao云涛 · 发表于 2014-9-26 23:05:21

现在讨论的是残局，不是讨论出处，我并非要误导大家，此残局的精彩程度也许比原局更好，难道不值得研究吗？

大征西 · 发表于 2014-10-15 10:45:04

还有回味也！！！

yuntao云涛 · 发表于 2015-6-16 00:35:36

还有回味也！！！[/quote] 以前的手稿，错误多，就当留个参考 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999958999999509940999999990171999999419999999999990438999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_pver]130606[/DhtmlXQ_pver] [DhtmlXQ_adddate]2014-4-12 23:38:14[/DhtmlXQ_adddate] [DhtmlXQ_editdate]2014-9-12 20:39:46[/DhtmlXQ_editdate] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]040571750111051511211525212025355053354553434131435345465351313251537576535546564049324255544241585938394947767959587978585956665444413144646656645456665457314157877870595866564748702087814142815120265150505326365355394955454252454736354787355548475657584849594838524287865535473735158646423246363242370715183837181737381707[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_move_4_15_5]2030555657584151[/DhtmlXQ_move_4_15_5] [DhtmlXQ_move_9_15_10]5857[/DhtmlXQ_move_9_15_10] [DhtmlXQ_move_16_50_15]48465751414051504041203041315040462630206656594956464948[/DhtmlXQ_move_16_50_15] [DhtmlXQ_move_19_70_20]384835254838[/DhtmlXQ_move_19_70_20] [DhtmlXQ_move_21_11_22]203045555053757757585565[/DhtmlXQ_move_21_11_22] [DhtmlXQ_move_2_9_24]57583536585975795958797158593637[/DhtmlXQ_move_2_9_24] [DhtmlXQ_move_24_10_25]354540457545505141422131423231413242413142323141[/DhtmlXQ_move_24_10_25] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_length]390[/DhtmlXQ_length] [DhtmlXQ_type]排局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_class]九连环[/DhtmlXQ_class] [DhtmlXQ_event]strong font color FF0000 strong font color FF0[/DhtmlXQ_event] [DhtmlXQ_group]散局[/DhtmlXQ_group] [DhtmlXQ_date]2011-08-03[/DhtmlXQ_date] [DhtmlXQ_place]法国巴黎[/DhtmlXQ_place] [DhtmlXQ_result]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_remark]zqhuang[/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_author]zqhuang[/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_hits]194[/DhtmlXQ_hits] [DhtmlXQ_sortid]7901200[/DhtmlXQ_sortid] [DhtmlXQ_owner]yuntao[/DhtmlXQ_owner] [DhtmlXQ_oldowner]yuntao[/DhtmlXQ_oldowner] [DhtmlXQ_comment1]如图如果黑先呢[/DhtmlXQ_comment1] [DhtmlXQ_comment15_63]||和[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_63] [DhtmlXQ_comment25_10]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment25_10] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_7_2]585725355053414053434030434175555747554541453545[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_7_2] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_11_4]58577555535545554070555657584151[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_11_4] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_11_3]58597555535545552030555659584151[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_11_3] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_13_6]585775775758777658574555435355565758767858593848533331413343413140485657[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_13_6] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_11_7]20307555[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_11_7] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_11_8]4045754553514140515040412030384858594575[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_11_8] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_22_11]7678585956665558[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_22_11] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_22_12]56664939383955353242354542325848767848477838[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_22_12] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_14_9]757858593848404878485333314133434131434448465958465658484546444556764544[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_14_9] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_36_13]78795958796964343141344441314454666758486968545868584858[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_36_13] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_41_14]2030[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_41_14] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_42_16]7848875739494749484959584948585948455751414051504041203041315040[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_42_16] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_51_18]51532636[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_51_18] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_65_17]57584849524249395848475755755777[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_65_17] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_68_19]877755354737352537475758[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_68_19] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_9_21]5857354540457545203045475758384858594777[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_9_21] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_9_23]2030[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_9_23] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_4_26]7578585705061121787757587771585706075758717858597879595879712120071750567178585717275646413146363141363327283353787757587727203027075351414251530787302087885857888453524241525384875758878858578885535485875758878554444131445485885859282954343141344441314434[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_4_26] [DhtmlXQ_comment2]如黑先胜，前面黑不用守住二线， ||前面黑连走两步只是是为了调整车卒的位置跟1楼的开始图形一样[/DhtmlXQ_comment2] [DhtmlXQ_comment0]如黑先还和||||前面黑连走两步只是是为了调整车卒的位置跟1楼的开始图形一样[/DhtmlXQ_comment0] [/DhtmlXQ]

大征西 · 发表于 2015-6-23 21:41:09

以前的手稿，错误多，就当留个参考[/quote] 是啊，这样值得！！！

zhiqihuang · 发表于 2015-6-27 17:16:50

这局棋的黑胜结论已经确定了吗？
[DhtmlXQ]
[DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver]
[DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init]
[DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999949999999797877014666418199999999509999995299022838990499[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
[DhtmlXQ_event]九连环系列[/DhtmlXQ_event]
[DhtmlXQ_date]2011-8-3[/DhtmlXQ_date]
[DhtmlXQ_place]法国巴黎[/DhtmlXQ_place]
[DhtmlXQ_title]新九进中原白宏宽[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_author]zqhuang[/DhtmlXQ_author]
[DhtmlXQ_remark]zqhuang[/DhtmlXQ_remark]
[DhtmlXQ_result]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_type]排局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_group]散局[/DhtmlXQ_group]
[DhtmlXQ_movelist]77475257784802728171724241515751716151617959504047426166484766684232403059503031473731413747413149596869595869494737314150514140324249465152464737334041585938484248474852514140515040413330484959582838304041315060494158573130606241014049[/DhtmlXQ_movelist]
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[DhtmlXQ_move_1_64_2]4241505441495452494252504241505241425254424957582838543432423438494438374454375754575857[/DhtmlXQ_move_1_64_2]
[DhtmlXQ_move_2_67_3]5404324257584948585728380407484621314656[/DhtmlXQ_move_2_67_3]
[DhtmlXQ_move_1_66_4]283850303242303849453837454858574845575804053727051521314232314115252707324241514555075755575857[/DhtmlXQ_move_1_66_4]
[DhtmlXQ_move_1_75_5]00023231020531325141324241314232312132422131423231413242415142320535324235254948585742322523283823034846031339491303467603137677575877471318474858574878181232311242787142413132411171761113[/DhtmlXQ_move_1_75_5]
[DhtmlXQ_move_5_79_6]05353242352542322522323122283132283832423830497930104232101232311242797142413132584871724144[/DhtmlXQ_move_5_79_6]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_54_7]3848585749795747483847573141575879756050040501110515112115162120161750531727534341314353757858572737535131325153787053333242335370775758777858573848534342324333324240487848333748465758[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_54_7]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_57_8]405041515747515350523031606131326141535941423231422259494757314152424942[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_57_8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment0]本局结论未定[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_121]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_121]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_99]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_99]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_66]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_66]
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象棋法官 · 发表于 2015-6-27 17:38:26

zhiqihuang 发表于 2015-6-27 17:16
这局棋的黑胜结论已经确定了吗？

在zzk132的空间找钟志康先生的帖子，里面有走法，也有结论。

聨吟客 · 发表于 2015-6-27 18:07:57

哇!!法官好久不見啊, 驚喜

,好像凌云子對此局也有深入研究 ,他也認為結論黑勝

如果把邊卒移後退一步,紅能和否?我只是有想法,但還沒研究

聨吟客 · 发表于 2015-6-27 18:11:12

貼圖以便大家研討

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2015-6-27 18:30:46

在鍾若文編著的古今象棋殘局新編有這一局,那麼許弼德先生就是九連环類局的開山祖師了嗎?

該譜走法有無問題呢?
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象棋法官 · 发表于 2015-6-27 18:31:33

卒后退一步没有本质区别。
淩云子改局能和。
不考虑结果，从观赏性上说，黑胜局比和局好。如同那局车马进洞。

聨吟客 · 发表于 2015-6-27 18:38:23

喔, 我還未確定車馬進洞正確結論,另外謝寧云棋友投稿百26的七星联營局,我也還不敢肯定正確結論

法官對此二局有何高見呢?

象棋法官 · 发表于 2015-6-27 19:06:48

车马进洞1楼棋局最终可卒换双相或破相胜。
七星连营yjr123的走法很简明，可作结论。

聨吟客 · 发表于 2015-6-27 21:43:41

多謝法官,江湖特種排局好像有一局很像九連環的類局,不知那局先問世還是許弼德的風局先問世,江湖特種排局
與會珍閣棋局似乎與林弈仙還有林幼如有很大的淵源?

桑莫喜 · 发表于 2015-6-27 21:56:20

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桑莫喜 · 发表于 2015-6-27 21:57:11

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一杯红酒 · 发表于 2015-6-28 00:36:26

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站在自己的立场上，用自己的喜好来看待问题，必然有失偏颇，“众多流行的“九连环”江湖排局中，着法最深奥，变化最复杂，影响最广泛，当属本局图势”这样的话简直是掩耳盗铃，贻笑大方，就像某象棋论坛的某版主一样，喜欢虚伪的吹捧，搞意思形态的东西，搞删帖删回复，蒙蔽视听，行小人下作手段，但时间会戳穿其虚伪的嘴脸，还江湖一些真正的对江湖长远发展有利的江湖排局！

聨吟客 · 发表于 2015-6-28 11:23:08

我們不要故意去作黑勝局, 只是每位作局者幾乎都有非故意作出黑勝局的情況, 研究多ㄖ甚至多月多年才發現黑勝法曲折奧妙的,或是既有棋譜都認為和局但被攤主獨門研究岀黑勝 ,如果擺這種黑勝局, 顧客也可紅黑任選, 我認為不算騙子

但是如果故意把千里獨行的邊卒移前一步 ,亞規都和　不了 ,連古譜說的紛和也沒辦法 ,顧客若選黑方 ,攤主就藉故推託耍賴不與他走,就有欺騙之嫌,呵呵呵

我認為攤主的心態很重要,不過只要紅黑任選而且攤主不得拒絕還是重點

聨吟客 · 发表于 2015-6-28 11:29:14

補充,有特殊體裁的黑勝局 ,就是先動者敗類型局 , 我以前也作過幾局, 都是對稱局,不過也是研究後才知道結論

一杯红酒 · 发表于 2015-6-28 11:39:46

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1、红黑任选，和棋，客户赢单份儿彩金，胜棋，客户胜赢双份儿彩金，摊主胜赢客户压注彩金；
2、彩金入局前，客户与摊主摆明处，数量双方协商，原则上不超过100元一局；
3、不吃子限招儿强制和棋回合数，20回合；
4、对故意拖延时间的，比如单步时间超过5分钟，按超时负处理；
5、游戏技术规则执行中国象棋1999版规则（如果有新版正式规则，按新版正式规则）；
6、发放江湖局经营许可证，统一规则，划定地点，摊主必须佩戴营业证上岗，便于客户监督反馈，同时便于实施管理；

以上办法，希望大家讨论！

聨吟客 · 发表于 2015-6-28 11:47:37

100元人民幣, 很多耶

以前台灣棋攤一局30至50元新台幣,相當大約7至11元人民幣

現在臺北市也看不到棋攤了

聨吟客 · 发表于 2015-6-28 12:09:48

感謝桑兄21 .22樓的指導

聨吟客 · 发表于 2015-6-28 12:26:06

這樣可行否?

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★星海★ · 发表于 2015-6-28 12:30:11

聨吟客发表于 2015-6-28 11:23
我們不要故意去作黑勝局, 只是每位作局者幾乎都有非故意作出黑勝局的情況, 研究多ㄖ甚至多月多年才發現黑勝 ...

黑胜江湖型棋局多数不是有意为之，（除了我改那个八面玲珑）
例如说邢春波的“问道”以前就没有人发现是黑胜，新九进中原，黑胜着法也是很难发现的。

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