《七子百局谱》第88局险峰探胜

愤怒的小炜 · 发表于 2013-6-9 23:15:02

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yjr123 · 发表于 2013-6-10 06:18:03

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zhaodi · 发表于 2013-6-10 10:02:36

小炜发现的问题准确；余老师的拆解正确。还是和棋。

迟暮寒士 · 发表于 2013-6-11 12:37:27

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2013-6-11 21:00:39

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2013-6-11 21:17:16

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2013-6-11 21:25:55

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邢春波 · 发表于 2013-6-11 21:48:16

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2013-6-11 22:10:41

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2013-6-11 22:17:06

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2013-6-11 22:22:44

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桑莫喜 · 发表于 2013-6-11 23:12:16

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迟暮寒士 · 发表于 2013-6-12 09:15:06

为了保持原局的中心着法，避免红方首着兵四平五招惹麻烦，把原局改成如下形式，可否？ [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_title]无标题[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_event][/DhtmlXQ_event] [DhtmlXQ_date][/DhtmlXQ_date] [DhtmlXQ_place][/DhtmlXQ_place] [DhtmlXQ_round][/DhtmlXQ_round] [DhtmlXQ_red][/DhtmlXQ_red] [DhtmlXQ_redteam][/DhtmlXQ_redteam] [DhtmlXQ_redrating][/DhtmlXQ_redrating] [DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time] [DhtmlXQ_black][/DhtmlXQ_black] [DhtmlXQ_blackteam][/DhtmlXQ_blackteam] [DhtmlXQ_blackrating][/DhtmlXQ_blackrating] [DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_remark][/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_author][/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_binit]6099999959999999997478336264999999399950429999999988994857999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_movelist][/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战全局/开局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_timerule][/DhtmlXQ_timerule] [DhtmlXQ_endtype][/DhtmlXQ_endtype] [DhtmlXQ_owner][/DhtmlXQ_owner] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_gametype][/DhtmlXQ_gametype] [/DhtmlXQ]

桑莫喜 · 发表于 2013-6-12 10:20:33

原局是七子局.

迟暮寒士 · 发表于 2013-6-13 03:27:14

本帖最后由迟暮寒士于 2013-6-13 07:28 编辑

桑莫喜发表于 2013-6-12 10:20
原局是七子局.

没注意到要求双方均七子。
原局黑7路卒貌似冗子，红方无需特意抽杀之，现以炮代之，红必须多用两步抽之。
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聨吟客 · 发表于 2013-6-13 09:55:02

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2013-6-13 10:12:28

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迟暮寒士 · 发表于 2013-6-13 10:52:40

本帖最后由迟暮寒士于 2013-6-13 10:53 编辑

聨吟客发表于 2013-6-13 10:12

真没想到，黑方还有海地捞月这一着。
末尾红方不断左右平兵，欲捉死士，黑方不断进士退士，预先逃避。这种和棋着法很有趣。

chouzhouyu · 发表于 2019-11-2 23:18:48

不是还是和吗？

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