岱斩魏延红先胜赵殿忠

zhaodi · 发表于 2014-3-9 10:39:06

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迟暮寒士 · 发表于 2014-3-10 09:31:41

赵殿忠老师的非连照胜排局着法真的很繁杂，大都属于实用残局，是现有的实用残局的升华。邢春波老师教了我使用残局库搜索残局，我搜索了一下，和本帖棋局完全一样的残局是没有的。我对棋局局面尝试做了各种改变，找到了如下一局红胜残局。

看来，要想破解赵老师的本帖棋局，必须先搞清上图残局的着法

zhaodi · 发表于 2014-3-10 11:23:38

王老弟会触类旁通了，这局棋和上面的棋局确实同出一源，但因添加了卒，成为一个单双步棋局，在破解时要注意。并且，在我的答案中，本局是一局两次调整单双步的棋局。
单双步棋局，在创作中是可遇不可求的，调整单双步的时机是解开棋局的钥匙。

迟暮寒士 · 发表于 2014-3-10 12:20:08

1#局面暂且不说，目前要先搞清2楼（黑方没有3路卒）的局面。红方中兵在原位，红方确实胜了。我在想，如果把红兵排前一步，红是否还能取胜。

zhaodi · 发表于 2014-3-10 13:04:57

很简单，在东萍动态棋盘上将红兵摆前一步，点将此盘面设为开始，再点搜索残局库即可。

迟暮寒士 · 发表于 2014-3-10 19:26:07

很简单，在东萍动态棋盘上将红兵摆前一步，点将此盘面设为开始，再点搜索残局库即可。[/quote] 按照你教的办法，继续在库中搜索，搜索到了。中兵在原位和排前一位，两种局面的着法难度一般。你的这局加卒的局面。着法很难探寻。

邢春波 · 发表于 2014-3-10 19:50:23

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zhaodi · 发表于 2014-3-11 01:04:01

我的答案，和邢兄的略有有不同，黑方老将的位置造成不同。
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[DhtmlXQ_comment17]看住7卒。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19]调整棋形。[/DhtmlXQ_comment19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment27]将相调至一路防7卒，把炮解放出来。[/DhtmlXQ_comment27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment31]通过前面一系列调整，黑马仍然无法脱困。[/DhtmlXQ_comment31]
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yjr123 · 发表于 2014-3-11 10:05:04

不让红炮有将军脱身的机会呢？
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[DhtmlXQ_comment5]交换先后手！[/DhtmlXQ_comment5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14]如黑轻易进7卒，红飞相防住河口，再经中兵吃掉黑卒，红速胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17]看住7卒。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19]调整棋形。[/DhtmlXQ_comment19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_27]将相调至一路防7卒，把炮解放出来。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_31]通过前面一系列调整，黑马仍然无法脱困。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_37]再次调整先后手。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_49]至此，诸葛遗计实现。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_53]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_53]
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聨吟客 · 发表于 2014-3-11 10:28:33

12回合紅炮可脫身,所以10回合黑不應進將, 大家再研究研究.........

zhaodi · 发表于 2014-3-11 12:10:34

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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]诸葛先机识魏延，||已知日后反西川。||锦囊遗计人难料，||却见成功在马前。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5]交换先后手！[/DhtmlXQ_comment5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14]如黑轻易进7卒，红飞相防住河口，再经中兵吃掉黑卒，红速胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17]看住7卒。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19]调整棋形。[/DhtmlXQ_comment19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment27]将相调至一路防7卒，把炮解放出来。[/DhtmlXQ_comment27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment31]通过前面一系列调整，黑马仍然无法脱困。[/DhtmlXQ_comment31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment37]再次调整先后手。[/DhtmlXQ_comment37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment49]至此，诸葛遗计实现。[/DhtmlXQ_comment49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment53]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment53]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment2_29]此时进兵可胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_29]
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邢春波 · 发表于 2014-3-11 18:24:49

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