[讨论]征西局大退车最新变化探讨

bh22wsc · 发表于 2009-3-15 07:39:05

群策群力，集思广益，有华工网的众高手加盟研讨，征西局一定会更上一层楼。感谢大家的帮助和支持

，深表谢意。

dave7788 · 发表于 2009-3-15 11:11:52

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dave7788 · 发表于 2009-3-15 11:36:56

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dave7788 · 发表于 2009-3-15 11:56:59

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yjr123 · 发表于 2009-3-15 13:53:15

原帖由 667 于 2009-3-14 23:56 发表王首成 23:52:32667兄您好，今日白宏宽棋友将大退车新变着法贴出，取得突破性进展，真是好消息！只要将11回合红改走车六退二将5退1，车六退五即和！并且红车四进七后黑走将5退1或车4平5均和！麻烦您把我的观点贴出 ...

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第11回合红如改走车六退二？！将5退1，车六退五？车5进2！黑有巧胜如上。 [ 本帖最后由 dave7788 于 2009-3-15 15:27 编辑 ]

yjr123 · 发表于 2009-3-15 16:25:18

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dave7788 · 发表于 2009-3-15 18:04:15

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蛟川鱼 · 发表于 2009-3-16 08:01:53

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蛟川鱼 · 发表于 2009-3-16 08:09:42

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dave7788 · 发表于 2009-3-16 08:29:38

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dave7788 · 发表于 2009-3-16 08:41:30

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dave7788 · 发表于 2009-3-16 11:15:19

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dave7788 · 发表于 2009-3-16 11:40:56

“征西”的着法，我资料少，只在《象棋流行排局精选》看到。关于大退车黑车4进7后，作者（杨明忠先生）仅介绍了红炮四平二的变化，还有“改走车四进七或炮四进一虽也可成和，但变化繁复，这里就不介绍了”的提示。从上面的分析研究来看，炮四进一可和，车四进七负。请大家再研讨研讨！

dave7788 · 发表于 2009-3-16 16:11:48

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dave7788 · 发表于 2009-3-16 21:36:31

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dave7788 · 发表于 2009-3-17 08:58:26

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蛟川鱼 · 发表于 2009-3-17 18:36:49

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dave7788 · 发表于 2009-3-17 18:46:43

50楼的变化33楼有正确的走法。第30回合炮五平一，车6退1，红帅六退一？改垫车！和。 [ 本帖最后由 dave7788 于 2009-3-17 18:53 编辑 ]

蛟川鱼 · 发表于 2009-3-18 07:43:39

原帖由 dave7788 于 2009-3-17 18:46 发表 50楼的变化33楼有正确的走法。第30回合炮五平一，车6退1，红帅六退一？改垫车！和。

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dave7788 · 发表于 2009-3-18 08:05:49

30、炮五平一，车6退1.31、车五退三，车6退1.32、帅六退一！（楼上车五平三？负）车6平4.33、车五平六，车6平5。34、车六平四——和。（33楼）

dave7788 · 发表于 2009-3-19 13:12:41

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蛟川鱼 · 发表于 2009-3-20 08:29:29

对于红方弃相的着法，黑方可有如下变化： [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]5799999948994799999959999999999937999999429999999999109939999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_type]残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_result]和局[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]5958424157771019778719098777392977872919877737395868413148583959584859494858314177674959584841514725595848470901[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_refer]http%3A//www.hgchess.com/%0D%0Ahttp%3A//www.hgchess.com/bbs/thread-19907-2-1.html[/DhtmlXQ_refer] [DhtmlXQ_generator]www.dpxq.com[/DhtmlXQ_generator] [/DhtmlXQ] [ 本帖最后由蛟川鱼于 2009-3-20 08:49 编辑 ]

蛟川鱼 · 发表于 2009-3-20 08:52:39

大退车，黑方另有如下三种新的变化： [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]7799999958994799999979999999999960999999429999999999409939999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_type]残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_result]和局[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]77574050584850004838603038483070795970104838103038483036[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_10_1]7076[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_10_1] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_10_2]4241[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_10_2] [DhtmlXQ_refer]http%3A//www.hgchess.com/%0D%0Ahttp%3A//www.hgchess.com/bbs/viewthread.php%3Ftid%3D19907%26page%3D2%26extra%3Dpage%253D1[/DhtmlXQ_refer] [DhtmlXQ_generator]www.dpxq.com[/DhtmlXQ_generator] [/DhtmlXQ]

dave7788 · 发表于 2009-3-27 08:22:30

10楼第2回合黑车3平2？改走车3平4！黑胜—— [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999939994799679999999999999999999999429999992799089999999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]394908074959273759493736676242416261414061683646684807034959465659490343[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_4_1]271767571719472919295958070957474232584829394743[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_4_1] [DhtmlXQ_refer]http%3A//www.hgchess.com/%0D%0Ahttp%3A//www.hgchess.com/bbs/thread-19907-1-2.html[/DhtmlXQ_refer] [DhtmlXQ_generator]www.dpxq.com[/DhtmlXQ_generator] [/DhtmlXQ] [ 本帖最后由 dave7788 于 2009-3-27 09:34 编辑 ]

zhaodi · 发表于 2009-3-27 21:53:47

回复60楼

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沉默 · 发表于 2014-1-7 12:38:21

蛟川鱼发表于 2008-9-16 16:53
关键是21楼第7回合红方车三退二是败着！

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沉默 · 发表于 2014-1-7 13:16:09

蛟川鱼发表于 2008-8-4 08:38
还是黑胜:

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