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喜上眉梢

菜鸟来玩 发表于 2014-9-16 16:08

谢谢提供黑胜着法！这是强软给出的主变么？

菜鸟来玩

不是强软，一般的软件，谢谢。

sdndsx

喜上眉梢 发表于 2013-1-7 01:02
小二炮是黑胜局

撞车啦！！！！！！！！！！！

楼主原文   此为黑胜局，我曾诠正于《百花齐放象棋谱》第21集，但因注解都被删除，着法欠细。

第7回合         车3平5！！！是你发现的吗？象棋报早就发过啊！百16又补充了新的发现！
为此，我在象棋研究上专门发了 简洁小二炮 新探。

dave7788

菜鸟来玩 发表于 2014-9-18 08:08
不是强软，一般的软件，谢谢。

“一般”的软件就如此厉害啦！令人瞠目。
书上有文字记载，魔叔杨官璘为了研讨此局，特意上街摆设棋摊，这主要是为了集思广益，把这局棋研究整理出来。
从以前的研究来看，步伐很缓慢。

yjr123

菜鸟来玩 发表于 2014-9-16 16:08

仍按照喜上眉梢的思路求和

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象棋法官

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yjr123

象棋法官 发表于 2014-9-18 11:04

菜鸟认为第5回合走将6平5可黑胜，你把他改为炮7进8却是和棋，所以他会认为炮7进8是错过取胜机会。
我在黑将6平5后，第7回合由红方变着，把士五退四改为进六。可保不败，因此可以认为菜鸟的士五退四是败着。

yjr123

★星海★ 发表于 2014-9-18 13:27
炮7进8怎么错了？

如果将6平5可以取胜，而炮7进8胜不了，难道不是错吗？

★星海★

yjr123 发表于 2014-9-18 09:19
仍按照喜上眉梢的思路求和

我认为士5进6还是黑胜，第6回合走炮走将没有实质差异。

★星海★

yjr123说以此楼为准，我再编辑一下，速胜2回合。
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yjr123

★星海★ 发表于 2014-9-18 13:32
37楼是黑胜故意走和了？

“短棹轻舟”新编着法诠正了原来的黑胜结论，认为是和棋，31楼菜鸟用软件认为诠正错误，应该是黑胜，要推翻菜鸟的结论就必须是由红方变着，法官拟着由黑变着，结论就没有说服力。

yjr123

“短棹轻舟”的最新结论是黑胜，着法以44楼星海的拟着为准。

象棋法官

sdndsx 发表于 2014-9-18 08:25
撞车啦！！！！！！！！！！！

楼主原文   此为黑胜局，我曾诠正于《百花齐放象棋谱》第21集，但因注 ...

可能沈先生不知道百21的事。两个人都单独发现也不奇怪。

象棋法官

短棹轻舟我再增加一变，看看对不对，有的棋谱7回合平兵认为能和。
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菜鸟来玩

象棋法官 发表于 2014-9-18 22:58
可能沈先生不知道百21的事。两个人都单独发现也不奇怪。

不认识这位yir123是哪位高人，杀棋走成和棋，反过来说软件败招，实在是佩服

★星海★

yjr123 发表于 2014-9-18 13:47
“短棹轻舟”新编着法诠正了原来的黑胜结论，认为是和棋，31楼菜鸟用软件认为诠正错误，应该是黑胜，要推 ...

实在不好意思，刚刚看帖发现18楼白宏宽老师的走法与44楼殊途同归。士五进六这一变黑胜结论应由白宏宽老师首先发现，不敢掠美。48楼的变化18楼也有。

dave7788

★星海★ 发表于 2014-9-18 23:47
实在不好意思，刚刚看帖发现18楼白宏宽老师的走法与44楼殊途同归。士五进六这一变黑胜结论应由白宏宽老师 ...

我仅是按通声提出的想法解拆一下，很可能没有俊岭的走法精确。

象棋法官

不错，黑胜更精彩。

象棋法官

聨吟客 发表于 2014-9-20 08:25
刪除邊卒好像仍黑勝

删除边卒能和

象棋法官

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