《江湖棋摊揭秘》请棋友帮忙讨论、修改

桑莫喜

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zzk132

    第15章0局
    “七星聚会”此局面，红先能取胜吗？求教！

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zzk132

      32楼的局面是一种着法中注解（原为黑将5平4 我改为车9退5），原注解为红胜。所以列出求教大家。
      第15章0局
       “七星聚会”此局面，黑先能和吗？求教！
      此是一种着法（原为红帅五平六 我改为车三退二）局面。

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zzk132

聨吟客 发表于 2013-6-25 09:29
32樓應和局吧?另外,可否列岀31樓6回合所謂將吃兵的黑勝法? (根據桑莫喜 棋友詮正我的研究是和局 ){:soso_e1 ...

      31樓6回合所謂將吃兵的黑勝法?这是原文提示，我也不知在那个网站、那个棋友、那个地方出现，望知情者贴出。谢谢！

zzk132

       王君：
      第17章0局
      “带子入朝”主着法到4回合后成为图4，按图4第1分局着法到23回合后，应成为图5局面，可不是。第1分局着法接走兵五平六，走不通？是哪里出问题了？

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zhaodi

桑莫喜 发表于 2013-6-24 22:41

回复31楼 我研究是和棋
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zhaodi

zzk132 发表于 2013-6-25 09:11
第15章0局
    “七星聚会”此局面，红先能取胜吗？求教！

回复32楼 根据PAI残局库 红先和棋
http://lpforth.forthfreak.net/cg ... p34K3R96r29992P2k39

yjr123

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zzk132

     首先谢谢诸君对此书的讨论、建议和看法！

     王君：
     第12章9局
     “火烧赤壁”应按此着法为红先胜，不是和局吧？

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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]诠正着法红先胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1]诠正着法[/DhtmlXQ_comment1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_1]原谱[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_5]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_7]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_7]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment15]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_4]原谱[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_4]修正着法，这样就是黑胜了[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_4]
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zzk132

    第19章6局
    “霞鹜齐飞”主着法注解6车5进7改车5进1黑能和吗？

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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]本局见于民间艺人的棋摊中，富有引人入胜的江湖排局风格。棋友宋安国、向航德对其深有研究，现摘其要着介绍如下[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_46]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_21]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_24]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_52]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_52]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_29]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_29]
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zzk132

   第19章7局
    “巧对花枪”主着法11回合红兵四平五改兵三进一能胜吗？

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zzk132

       我将37楼的问题移至此，加上凑步数至图5。

       第17章0局
       “带子入朝”主着法到4回合后成为图4，按图4第1分局着法到23回合后，应成为图5局面，可不是。第1分局着法接走兵五平六，走不通？王君是哪里出问题了？

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      第17章0局
       “带子入朝”主着法到4回合后成为图4，按图4第1分局着法到16回合，原车五退一改为兵五平六凑步数，到25回合后就成为图5局面，不知凑步数正确否？

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zzk132

      王君：
      第17章1局
      “小带子（一）”主着法不正确，按你意思，我将着法修改如下。看对否？

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zzk132

      王君：
      第11章2局
      “折柳章台”2回合象5退7改车6平7后，按注3，10着红车一平五黑应车7进9 ，黑能胜吗？如能胜，是否红应按台湾陈先生的车一进五

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[DhtmlXQ_comment4_53]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_43]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_43]
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667

zzk132 发表于 2013-7-1 17:00
王君：
      第11章2局
      “折柳章台”2回合象5退7改车6平7后，按注3，10着红车一平五黑应 ...

王振兄在香港教学，不知道是否网络原因，王兄很久没有登录华工了。

zzk132

           9回合黑改后卒进1，黑能胜吗？

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