水中捞月···邢春波拟局

聨吟客 · 发表于 2015-9-22 11:21:16

呵呵呵,這樣和了吧
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★星海★ · 发表于 2015-9-22 15:40:43

手机发帖一点体会：
手机发帖确实不方便，容易错字，适应就好了。
要发动态棋谱，复制、粘贴操作需要摸索。

聨吟客 · 发表于 2015-9-24 10:39:08

這樣可維持原意走法,但結果仍需看規則如何解釋判定,大家對於相關規則有何看法?

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邢春波 · 发表于 2015-9-24 16:05:46

聨吟客发表于 2015-9-24 10:39
這樣可維持原意走法,但結果仍需看規則如何解釋判定,大家對於相關規則有何看法?

这样改就简单了
首着红提高车是和棋

聨吟客 · 发表于 2015-9-25 11:04:34

我的意思是這樣,還是回到規則判決的問題

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2015-9-25 16:33:35

35 樓走法還不精確,紅方如何精確調整成規則待判局面須修正,但是規則卻又可能判和,有一種做白工的感覺呵呵呵

聨吟客 · 发表于 2015-9-26 00:07:47

修飾走法,呵呵呵

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邢春波 · 发表于 2015-9-26 12:53:40

聨吟客发表于 2015-9-26 00:07
修飾走法,呵呵呵

就是利用这个规则，黑犯规，须变看，变则必败

杨启忠 · 发表于 2015-9-26 15:29:34

邢春波发表于 2015-9-26 12:53
就是利用这个规则，黑犯规，须变看，变则必败

37#判和。查阅了《棋艺》杂志2014第9期66页有棋例通则，棋例通则26.2歀：守和方只有一个进攻子力时，占据守和要点，附带产生的捉士象按闲处理。

邢春波 · 发表于 2015-9-26 20:28:14

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杨启忠发表于 2015-9-26 15:29
37#判和。查阅了《棋艺》杂志2014第9期66页有棋例通则，棋例通则26.2歀：守和方只有一个进攻子力时，占据 ...

这就本则棋例的微妙妙之处，若红方有中士黒就不是捉，无中士黑可带将吃相就判捉。这就是局名的来由，水中之月本是虚幻，就是有了这个规则红才可无中生有水中捞月

zhaodi · 发表于 2015-9-26 22:43:40

邢春波发表于 2015-9-26 20:28
这就本则的微妙妙之处，若红方有中士黒就不是捉，无中士黑可带将吃士就判捉。这就是局名的来由，水中之月 ...

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2015-9-26 23:28:18

zhaodi 发表于 2015-9-26 22:43

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2015-9-26 23:35:27

挖咧 ,原來規則那麼複雜啊,呵呵呵呵呵,也好,這樣俺就沒有做白工

聨吟客 · 发表于 2015-9-27 00:36:29

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2015-9-27 00:48:34

邢春波发表于 2015-9-26 20:28
这就本则的微妙妙之处，若红方有中士黒就不是捉，无中士黑可带将吃士就判捉。这就是局名的来由，水中之月 ...

還有疑問,附帶捉相若不算打,附帶抽仕也應不算打才合理,規則有無這方面更詳細的說明呢?

聨吟客 · 发表于 2015-9-27 01:53:26

暈 ,或者說附帶抽邊相才對? 大陸規則太複雜, 不過都是單車佔據守和要點附帶捉抽仕相的範圍內, 判和應該有依據 ?

zhaodi · 发表于 2015-9-28 09:19:11

聨吟客发表于 2015-9-27 00:36

44楼第22回合

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2015-9-28 12:24:00

本帖最后由聨吟客于 2015-9-28 12:49 编辑

嗯,
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聨吟客 · 发表于 2015-9-28 13:07:49

換一種思路看看,是否仍回到規則問題

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2015-9-28 13:36:35

原局也這樣走, 呵呵呵,兩局規則判決相不相同呢?

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[DhtmlXQ_comment15_10] 先出將如何\u003F好像可以避免規則糾紛的和法\u003F[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_10]
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聨吟客 · 发表于 2015-9-28 13:58:02

呵呵呵,暈

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2015-9-28 14:08:26

為了討論規則問題, 再改這樣

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2015-9-28 14:16:37

還有這樣,呵呵呵呵呵呵,晚點再來

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2015-9-28 17:33:20

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2015-9-28 17:42:24

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2015-9-29 11:35:38

除了捉中相之外,54樓比55樓還多了附帶抽吃邊相(雖然黑目的不在此),規則判決相同否? 我認為應該都判和局,除非規則另有解釋?

大家認為呢?
那麼黑棄卒就是關鍵了,不棄卒就判紅勝了

邢春波 · 发表于 2015-9-29 12:47:21

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聨吟客发表于 2015-9-29 11:35
除了捉中相之外,54樓比55樓還多了附帶抽吃邊相(雖然黑目的不在此),規則判決相同否? 我認為應該都判和局 ...

1楼黑不能弃卒，红须设法吃掉此卒才能取胜。电脑还没修，等修好我用动态棋图来解释这个棋例

聨吟客 · 发表于 2015-9-30 12:45:29

1樓紅車進五按照31樓簡明可和(過程黑棄卒換相),

紅車進八若黑兌車則參考55樓變化(過程需棄卒)應判和,若
黑車平5可走成類似48樓變化, 黑棄不棄卒或紅主動吃不吃得到卒也許都能和

我的研究心得( 包括趙老師與楊老師等人指導)是如此 ,除非規則另有解釋,56 樓提出的規則疑問到底有沒有人能確切地回答我呢?

聨吟客 · 发表于 2015-9-30 13:00:32

54 樓紅還有一種變化值得研究,不知是勝是和? 右底相與左底相是有差別的

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2015-9-30 13:19:08

59樓好像也能和

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