“适谱-七擒七纵”类的一则怪型——《排局春秋》选局

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中象位为黑马的“急流勇退“，同型局极少，有请大师们供局或提供相关信息，非常谢谢！

在古谱中，中象位黑马原为二线矮脚马，但作用相同，都是守护黑底士。我把此类棋局统称为"老骥伏枥“（矮马守士），并细分为多个系列。

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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_33]此着可调离黑象，活通底兵，否则红负。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_33]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_40]因红底兵已活，不进卒则炮打卒即和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_40]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]此局能否双马饮泉？[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
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yjr123 发表于 2024-6-30 07:36

第36楼红方第八回合最初的第二选择就是炮六平三，但没想到下面一步炮三进一是绝杀！此时红方进攻子力那么多，所以我的第一感觉，就对能否双马饮泉存疑。

yjr123

双马饮泉是双马的一个杀法名称，此局不是属于双马饮泉

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yjr123 发表于 2024-6-30 13:40
双马饮泉是双马的一个杀法名称，此局不是属于双马饮泉

当然，这只是个开局的杀法。且原着不成立，已删掉了。

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yjr123

云库评分是1分，皮卡鱼评分是黑绝杀胜。

老鸽子

聨吟客 发表于 2024-6-30 23:44
我改得不算好  16或17回合後紅和法多  也因局型因素吧

就不一一列出   當初想法是因原局太容易  就出手 ...

45楼改局主要是加帽有无必要，后段变化倒是不错的。

43楼“广开财路”局最接近台湾吴怀洁《三国七子谱》“何国舅谋诛官宦”，最大不同是后者的黑方四卒位置与竹谱相同。而张宝康《象棋江湖秘籍》“走单骑”局，对后者加了个小“帽“，就不用看了。

yjr123

老鸽子也应该学学网页版皮卡鱼，这样筛选棋局有棋力保证，使你的业5棋力瞬间提高到特大水平

老鸽子

搞排局创作的很多人长期以来形成的某些观念，始终“坚持不懈”，看来很难接受不同的声音！本人曾专文涉及有关排局加帽的必要性问题，而本主题帖几乎从头到尾都在说这一主题，但说了半天有人却在这里继续，就算我放屁没放响吧！

老鸽子

聨吟客 发表于 2024-7-1 16:23
45樓已被老余指正黑勝 見47樓

所以我又改了

要我说，你这局宁愿黑胜，也不需前面的帽子，远不如43楼“广开财路”的加子，更不如31楼“隐隐笙歌“，是顺手牵羊（顺着原意借车使炮）而加！这样的加帽不仅不能使棋局加分，反会使棋局腿色，不觉得多此一举吗？对普通象棋爱好者而言，不论你后面的着法有多博大精深，但没人想看下去！

除非特别精妙，或江湖味浓，才有必要，或略加一点也可。

陈财运

57楼红先和

老鸽子

开局动点点当然没问题，加了一堆子又无新意就有问题。

这样改不论是否成功，至少中规中矩，看起来舒服！若不中规中矩，则必须有独到之处！