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★星海★ · 发表于 2008-7-10 17:30:00

58楼第6回合改进一下,黑方还可以这样走:

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查残局库可知，末尾局面为和局。http://lpforth.forthfreak.net/cgi-bin/endgame.cgi?95K36R25c36E294r4993k50

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★星海★ · 发表于 2008-7-10 18:09:00

55楼改进一下可成红胜：

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不老松 · 发表于 2008-7-10 19:00:00

QUOTE:

以下是引用棋人ctq在2008-7-10 10:38:00的发言：
55楼红第17回合走车五平七,变化复杂些,也好象对红有利些.

正着和!

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hzsjy · 发表于 2008-7-11 06:04:00

上楼末后是一将一杀。

hzsjy · 发表于 2008-7-11 06:09:00

QUOTE:

以下是引用★星海★在2008-7-10 18:09:00的发言：

55楼改进一下可成红胜：

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34着黑可缓进卒，先进车将一军再车退原位，看红棋如何走。

★星海★ · 发表于 2008-7-11 08:21:00

看来你认为61楼和局是正着了？其实红方前面有软着。

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黑方必失3路卒呈败势。

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hzsjy · 发表于 2008-7-11 08:44:00

我引用的是62楼的着法,在34着处黑车将再回原处．

★星海★ · 发表于 2008-7-11 08:49:00

QUOTE:

以下是引用hzsjy在2008-7-11 8:44:00的发言：
我引用的是62楼的着法,在34着处黑车将再回原处．

红方接下来走车五平七即成66楼。

棋人ctq · 发表于 2008-7-13 17:16:00

我希望能有一个定论。63楼的结尾是违反棋规的。

★星海★ · 发表于 2008-7-14 09:56:00

经过几天的讨论我认为这局棋红胜。

这种局面红方必胜：

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这种局面比较复杂，我认为也是红胜。红方接下来有帅六退一、车五平六两种走法，我认为退帅较好：

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着法未贴完善，先贴一下再进行补充。

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棋人ctq · 发表于 2008-7-14 10:46:00

对于70楼的上图,应该没有什么异议,红走兵三进一形成红胜,这是yjr123棋友最先提出的.70楼下图还会不会有什么变化?

凌云子 · 发表于 2008-7-14 11:38:00

QUOTE:

以下是引用★星海★在2008-7-14 9:56:00的发言：

这种局面比较复杂，我认为也是红胜。红方接下来有帅六退一、车五平六两种走法，我认为退帅较好：

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着法未贴完善，先贴一下再进行补充。

第16着象3进5呢？

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凌云子 · 发表于 2008-7-14 11:43:00

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★星海★ · 发表于 2008-7-14 14:56:00

73楼红胜，并未走出和棋着法。

棋人ctq · 发表于 2008-7-14 15:54:00

如72楼所示的局面,帅六退一不能作为一个主要变化来研究,因为,如果帅六退一黑可以车6进6,帅六退一;车6退6,帅六进一.车6进6;帅六退一,车6退6;......红必须另想办法.

★星海★ · 发表于 2008-7-14 16:05:00

崔老师：如果帅六退一黑车6进6可能形成这种局面：

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棋人ctq · 发表于 2008-7-14 16:25:00

是的,前面已经讨论过.

★星海★ · 发表于 2008-7-14 16:30:00

接下来黑方是保卒还是继续在防守布置线？我认为这样红胜。

贵在参竽 · 发表于 2008-7-16 08:22:00

黑第8着车6退1呢，应该是黑好走吧

★星海★ · 发表于 2008-7-16 08:33:00

由于您没说清几楼第8着，我只能凭空猜测，可能是这样：

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接下来黑方如何应?

贵在参竽 · 发表于 2008-7-16 09:04:00

呵，如车6退1，车九平六红胜

棋人ctq · 发表于 2008-8-23 08:59:00

最后结论为红胜局。

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