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[原创棋局] 【新七星】一杯红酒江湖残局新概念博彩揭开江湖残局博弈新篇章!

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91#
 楼主| 发表于 2015-2-27 23:38:57 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 一杯红酒 于 2015-2-28 09:43 编辑

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回云涛:前卒平8,变化还能复杂、庞大,比如象1进3就未定结论,后面慢慢给予拆解答复,谢谢你的参与!
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92#
 楼主| 发表于 2015-2-28 09:47:50 | 只看该作者
回云涛先生:前卒平8变化,还很复杂庞大,如第4回合象1进3结论就未定,回头慢慢拆解答复,谢谢你的拆解!
93#
发表于 2015-2-28 10:51:58 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 yuntao云涛 于 2015-2-28 21:31 编辑
一杯红酒 发表于 2015-2-27 23:38

第三回合黑改成【前卒平8】就简单胜了
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94#
发表于 2015-2-28 11:07:03 | 只看该作者
一杯红酒 发表于 2015-2-28 09:47
回云涛先生:前卒平8变化,还很复杂庞大,如第4回合象1进3结论就未定,回头慢慢拆解答复,谢谢你的拆解!

你把红方的各种变化相应以黑方最正确的走法列出来,不要劣以劣变(如果劣以劣变大征西不知道会生出多少变化来),不要误导别人,其实新七星没有你说的那么玄乎
95#
 楼主| 发表于 2015-2-28 11:38:58 | 只看该作者
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96#
 楼主| 发表于 2015-3-1 10:29:25 | 只看该作者
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97#
发表于 2015-3-1 11:05:16 | 只看该作者
一杯红酒 发表于 2015-3-1 10:29

第三回合黑改成【前卒平8】就简单胜了,你怎么还在发劣着【后卒平8】?看来你真是自我陶醉了!
98#
 楼主| 发表于 2015-3-1 11:14:12 | 只看该作者
上面变例,后卒平8,结论为黑胜!
如前卒平8,上面讨论9,黑劣变和棋,其它黑的变化如何,前卒平8结论如何,是否是简单黑胜,且听下回分解!
99#
发表于 2015-3-1 11:37:51 | 只看该作者
一杯红酒 发表于 2015-3-1 11:14
上面变例,后卒平8,结论为黑胜!
如前卒平8,上面讨论9,黑劣变和棋,其它黑的变化如何,前卒平8结论如何 ...

请你睁大眼睛看看93楼黑是怎么胜的
100#
 楼主| 发表于 2015-3-1 12:30:52 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 一杯红酒 于 2015-3-1 12:50 编辑
yuntao云涛 发表于 2015-3-1 11:37
请你睁大眼睛看看93楼黑是怎么胜的

93楼第10回合,黑应该车5进3,简明获胜!
后卒平8,前卒平8都是黑胜,通过比较,你坚持的前卒平8,要好些,可以更简明地获胜,但拆解必须都要拆解到,只有相互比较,才能得到更加合理的谱,是这个理吧!
101#
发表于 2015-3-1 13:00:00 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 yuntao云涛 于 2015-3-1 16:52 编辑
一杯红酒 发表于 2015-3-1 12:30
93楼第10回合,黑应该车5进3,简明获胜!
后卒平8,前卒平8都是黑胜,通过比较,你坚持的前卒平8,要好些 ...

这样整理看看对不对,首着红【车2退2】黑胜
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102#
发表于 2015-3-1 13:11:57 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 yuntao云涛 于 2015-3-1 14:10 编辑

整理  红首着【兵9进1】黑胜
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103#
 楼主| 发表于 2015-3-1 13:17:29 | 只看该作者
yuntao云涛 发表于 2015-3-1 13:00
这样整理看看对不对,首着红【车2退2】黑胜

第4回合,红如前兵进一,第5回合,还应加上车一平五,黑如何胜的谱!
104#
发表于 2015-3-1 13:37:41 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 yuntao云涛 于 2015-3-1 14:12 编辑

整理,红首着【仕4退5】,黑胜
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105#
 楼主| 发表于 2015-3-1 13:38:55 | 只看该作者
yuntao云涛 发表于 2015-3-1 13:00
这样整理看看对不对,首着红【车2退2】黑胜

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106#
发表于 2015-3-1 13:50:57 | 只看该作者
一杯红酒 发表于 2015-3-1 13:38

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107#
发表于 2015-3-1 14:14:43 | 只看该作者
一杯红酒 发表于 2015-3-1 12:30
93楼第10回合,黑应该车5进3,简明获胜!
后卒平8,前卒平8都是黑胜,通过比较,你坚持的前卒平8,要好些 ...

首着红【车2进1】变化复杂,有空再列出
108#
 楼主| 发表于 2015-3-1 14:34:12 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 一杯红酒 于 2015-3-1 14:45 编辑
yuntao云涛 发表于 2015-3-1 13:50

红为啥要兑车,红应该兵九进一或者兵九平八,红还有戏哦!
109#
 楼主| 发表于 2015-3-1 14:52:09 | 只看该作者
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110#
发表于 2015-3-1 16:41:42 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 yuntao云涛 于 2015-3-1 16:42 编辑
一杯红酒 发表于 2015-3-1 14:52

你这个人真烦,把106楼的变化看清楚了再提问发言好不好?真是莫名其妙
111#
 楼主| 发表于 2015-3-1 16:52:44 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 一杯红酒 于 2015-3-1 16:55 编辑

106楼红兑车是劣变!1卒7平6,你说黑胜?你给出红的谱是劣变嘛!
112#
发表于 2015-3-1 17:18:48 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 yuntao云涛 于 2015-3-1 17:20 编辑
一杯红酒 发表于 2015-3-1 16:52
106楼红兑车是劣变!1卒7平6,你说黑胜?你给出红的谱是劣变嘛!

你真的好烦,你到底看不看的懂我列的变化?
竟然你说106楼列的红是劣变,请给出你的红相应的正变,
请别在这里故弄玄虚倚老卖老装大师,请你弄清楚华工是共同钻研象棋的地方,不是来卖萌的地方,别“打肿脸充胖子”
113#
 楼主| 发表于 2015-3-1 17:23:36 | 只看该作者
yuntao云涛 发表于 2015-3-1 17:18
你真的好烦,你到底看不看的懂我列的变化?
竟然你说106楼列的红是劣变,请给出你的红的正变,
请别在这 ...

确实没看清你拆解的,这是我的错,你可以说明,没必要说这些,你别给脸不要脸!你过去拆解的,你现在拆解的,你和我在群里多次拆解的,你心里明白,你是如何拆解的,你错过多少,不要做小人!
114#
 楼主| 发表于 2015-3-1 17:39:44 | 只看该作者
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115#
发表于 2015-3-1 17:41:48 | 只看该作者
一杯红酒 发表于 2015-3-1 17:23
确实没看清你拆解的,这是我的错,你可以说明,没必要说这些,你别给脸不要脸!你过去拆解的,你现在拆解 ...

你俨然把自己当成大家的老师了,总是出题让别人考试,只给对与错,不给分析。但自己对答案却无十足的把握,经常乱改卷子!
我还感觉你是在刺激别人帮你解题,竟然如此自己何不一起参与讨论解局呢?
116#
发表于 2015-3-1 17:52:30 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 yuntao云涛 于 2015-3-1 18:02 编辑
一杯红酒 发表于 2015-3-1 17:39

应该够详细了
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117#
 楼主| 发表于 2015-3-1 17:58:07 | 只看该作者
yuntao云涛 发表于 2015-3-1 17:41
你俨然把自己当成大家的老师了,总是出题让别人考试,只给对与错,不给分析。但自己对答案却无十足的把握 ...

你不要乱说,红酒有说过当别人老师?有做过?
你这是恶意的诋毁,你说我没拆解,等别人来拆解,我都拆解了多少变化了,谁也不是神,谁敢说自己的局和谱就没有一点问题吗?
118#
发表于 2015-3-1 18:04:35 | 只看该作者
一杯红酒 发表于 2015-3-1 17:58
你不要乱说,红酒有说过当别人老师?有做过?
你这是恶意的诋毁,你说我没拆解,等别人来拆解,我都拆解 ...

不做口舌之争,能来专心应招才是硬道理
119#
 楼主| 发表于 2015-3-1 18:39:36 | 只看该作者
按目前的拆解来看,前卒平8,后卒平8对付红的车二退二+帅六进一,都是黑胜,也就是说,帅六进一为黑胜!
帅六退一(云涛变例)我拆了很多变化,视乎黑正变黑胜,由于变化太多,怕有遗漏,只能暂时定为帅六退一为黑胜!也就是说暂时定为车二退二为黑胜!

120#
发表于 2015-3-1 19:01:17 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 yuntao云涛 于 2015-3-1 19:21 编辑
一杯红酒 发表于 2015-3-1 18:39
按目前的拆解来看,前卒平8,后卒平8对付红的车二退二+帅六进一,都是黑胜,也就是说,帅六进一为黑胜!
帅 ...

只一个帅六退一(云涛变例), 我拆解了七百个变化,复杂深奥程度远超过旧七星,最后个人认为黑胜;可惜由于变化太多,一个东萍棋谱竟然容纳不下,最后信息库崩盘把数据成果都弄丢了,心痛啊!再也没有勇气去完善这个变例了;

新七星首着红【车二退二】为黑胜,我赞同,此变极为复杂

新七星首着红【仕四退五】为黑胜

新七星首着红【兵九进一】为黑胜

新七星首着红【车二进一】个人研究认为黑胜,此变也很复杂

最后结果个人认为新七星黑胜






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