快来参与隔河救主的一路新变化研究

聨吟客 · 发表于 2014-9-18 21:54:51

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柒匹狼 · 发表于 2014-9-18 22:01:39

聨吟客发表于 2014-9-18 21:54

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2014-9-18 22:14:26

感覺還很複雜,11回合卒7平6可能比進1好一點,有時間再弄

柒匹狼 · 发表于 2014-9-18 22:32:38

聨吟客发表于 2014-9-18 22:14
感覺還很複雜,11回合卒7平6可能比進1好一點,有時間再弄

先卒7进1再卒7平6 和先卒7平6再卒6进1 这里没什么区别

象棋法官 · 发表于 2014-9-18 22:48:15

怎么困难？
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柒匹狼 · 发表于 2014-9-18 23:12:07

象棋法官发表于 2014-9-18 22:48
怎么困难？

这样呢

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象棋法官 · 发表于 2014-9-18 23:21:47

柒匹狼发表于 2014-9-18 23:12
这样呢

15回合车4进2能和

聨吟客 · 发表于 2014-9-19 01:37:14

sdndsx 发表于 2014-9-18 16:36
敬请大家看看结果如何，谢谢！

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2014-9-19 07:26:11

又幫樓主再改局

, 下圖走法與結果如何呢

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柒匹狼 · 发表于 2014-9-19 12:26:25

象棋法官发表于 2014-9-18 23:21
15回合车4进2能和

黑第11回合选择卒7平6或卒7进被红炮三平六解脱后，黑方高将不安车卒受到红炮的影响步伐缓慢且和黑炮都受到红车兵的制约。红炮可回家防守又可限制黑方车兵进攻速度而红车又灵活可以借助兵的优势司机进攻，黑方既不能以攻为守又不能死守成和这样的局面越往后磨黑方越难受。目前我还是没找到黑方可以很好的谋和途径

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zhaodi · 发表于 2014-9-19 12:55:42

黑可主动和棋

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柒匹狼 · 发表于 2014-9-19 13:02:54

zhaodi 发表于 2014-9-19 12:55

赵老师发的什么没有看见啊

象棋法官 · 发表于 2014-9-19 13:19:19

本帖最后由象棋法官于 2014-9-19 13:21 编辑

最简单的，退车拦跑。车不能离线，黑方判闲，速和。
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柒匹狼 · 发表于 2014-9-19 13:21:36

象棋法官发表于 2014-9-19 13:19
最简单的，退车拦跑。车不能离线，黑方判闲，速和。

你这不犯捉吗

象棋法官 · 发表于 2014-9-19 13:22:53

车不能离线，不是捉。

象棋法官 · 发表于 2014-9-19 13:24:26

24.3 捉
凡走子后，所走动子能直接吃子、与其他子联合吃子、从下一着开始运用连续“将军”得子、抽吃子、通过完整互吃交换后吃掉对方子且得子，上述得子后不致立即(下一着不予考虑)被对方将死的，称为“捉”(见图2~4、参考图1~5)。

柒匹狼 · 发表于 2014-9-19 13:31:05

象棋法官发表于 2014-9-19 13:24
24.3 捉
凡走子后，所走动子能直接吃子、与其他子联合吃子、从下一着开始运用连续“将军”得子、抽吃子、 ...

这个

象棋法官 · 发表于 2014-9-19 13:33:28

第一、黑车吃炮会被将死
第二、黑方吃炮红方也吃炮，不存在得子。

柒匹狼 · 发表于 2014-9-19 13:43:49

zhaodi 发表于 2014-9-19 12:55
黑可主动和棋

赵老师说的是第10回合黑开始变招我和法官研究的是第11回合以后的局面

象棋法官 · 发表于 2014-9-19 13:46:12

上面两种走法都是简单和，再加上原来弃炮的走法，这个新变黑方谋和很容易。

柒匹狼 · 发表于 2014-9-19 13:49:52

象棋法官发表于 2014-9-19 13:46
上面两种走法都是简单和，再加上原来弃炮的走法，这个新变黑方谋和很容易。

这变黑谋和是容易了，可反倒使红方主动了。从江湖残局的角度讲失去了不少战斗力

象棋法官 · 发表于 2014-9-19 13:55:10

你不觉得这局棋红方本来就主动。

柒匹狼 · 发表于 2014-9-19 14:04:22

象棋法官发表于 2014-9-19 13:55
你不觉得这局棋红方本来就主动。

红不先走后兵进一的变化黑方应招还是挺宽松的没有后兵进一这么吃紧需要迅速成和

迟暮寒士 · 发表于 2014-9-19 14:07:01

象棋法官发表于 2014-9-19 13:55
你不觉得这局棋红方本来就主动。

江湖残局大都是黑方主动占优，红方被动求和。我有一本棋谱其中收录了此局，我没有深入研究，只是大致看了一下，其中诸多变着结果都是红胜，有背常理。

象棋法官 · 发表于 2014-9-19 14:08:17

这个新变有两种方法速和。
原谱你宽松一个看看？连速和都走不出。
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柒匹狼 · 发表于 2014-9-19 15:51:43

象棋法官发表于 2014-9-19 14:08
这个新变有两种方法速和。
原谱你宽松一个看看？连速和都走不出。

我就只记得还是和局了

柒匹狼 · 发表于 2014-9-19 16:51:36

聨吟客发表于 2014-9-19 07:26
又幫樓主再改局, 下圖走法與結果如何呢

先试试

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[DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init]
[DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999949999999742076999922112138139999309902526999599999999965[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
[DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_open]A00 非常见开局[/DhtmlXQ_open]
[DhtmlXQ_movelist]7470526020606989606359507679897970793839494839347970344448584454584865556367554567873040874745357076[/DhtmlXQ_movelist]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_4_1]697921203031112113217616210070795951797751411686[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_4_1][DhtmlXQ_comment25]红大优[/DhtmlXQ_comment25][DhtmlXQ_comment1_15]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_15]
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[DhtmlXQ_generator]www.dpxq.com[/DhtmlXQ_generator]
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聨吟客 · 发表于 2014-9-19 20:23:03

還很難說

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[DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver]
[DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init]
[DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999949999999742076999922112138139999309902526999599999999965[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
[DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_open]A00 非常见开局[/DhtmlXQ_open]
[DhtmlXQ_movelist]74705260206069896063595076798979707938394948393848493833797033434959435359496555636853436848504070764333486855454959335368584050[/DhtmlXQ_movelist]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_4_1]697921203031112113217616210070795951797751411686[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_4_1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_15]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_15]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_12_2]3979633313211121797848497873223273332131[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_12_2]
[DhtmlXQ_refer]http%3A//www.hgchess.com/%0D%0Ahttp%3A//www.hgchess.com/bbs/forum.php%3Fmod%3Dviewthread%26tid%3D16934%26extra%3Dpage%253D1%26page%3D2[/DhtmlXQ_refer]
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柒匹狼 · 发表于 2014-9-20 00:10:16

聨吟客发表于 2014-9-19 20:23
還很難說

可能这样奥

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[DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999949999999742076999922112138139999309902526999599999999965[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
[DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_open]A00 非常见开局[/DhtmlXQ_open]
[DhtmlXQ_movelist]74705260206069896063595076798979707938394948393848493833797033434959435359496555636853436848504070714333488813211121334388484373483873794948404321313040314140302232[/DhtmlXQ_movelist]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_4_1]697921203031112113217616210070795951797751411686[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_4_1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_15]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_15]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_12_2]3979633313211121797848497873223273332131[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_12_2]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_25_3]70764333486855454959335368584050[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_25_3]
[DhtmlXQ_refer]http%3A//www.hgchess.com/%0D%0Ahttp%3A//www.hgchess.com/bbs/forum.php%3Fmod%3Dviewthread%26tid%3D16934%26extra%3Dpage%253D1%26page%3D2[/DhtmlXQ_refer]
[DhtmlXQ_generator]www.dpxq.com[/DhtmlXQ_generator]
[/DhtmlXQ]

聨吟客 · 发表于 2014-9-20 00:20:22

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[DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver]
[DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init]
[DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999949999999742076999922112138139999309902526999599999999965[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
[DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_open]A00 非常见开局[/DhtmlXQ_open]
[DhtmlXQ_movelist]74705260206069896063595076798979707938394948393848493833797033434959435359496555636853436848504070714041[/DhtmlXQ_movelist]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_4_1]697921203031112113217616210070795951797751411686[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_4_1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_15]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_15]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_12_2]3979633313211121797848497873223273332131[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_12_2]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_25_3]70764333486855454959335368584050[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_25_3]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_26_4]4333488813211121334388484373483873794948404321313040314140302232[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_26_4][DhtmlXQ_comment26]||這樣呢[/DhtmlXQ_comment26]
[DhtmlXQ_refer]http%3A//www.hgchess.com/%0D%0Ahttp%3A//www.hgchess.com/bbs/forum.php%3Fmod%3Dviewthread%26tid%3D16934%26extra%3Dpage%253D1%26page%3D2[/DhtmlXQ_refer]
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