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[江湖局研究] 请教:征西(小退车-老卒左移局)

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发表于 2014-4-13 10:15:17 | 显示全部楼层
回复1楼、2楼、3楼,此三楼棋图起始一样,变化有可研讨之处。我认为有简单着法可黑胜定。
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[DhtmlXQ_title]征西(小退车-老卒左移局) [/DhtmlXQ_title]
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[DhtmlXQ_type]排局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_result]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_result]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment11]简简单单的打掉红炮,[/DhtmlXQ_comment11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13]续走如下[/DhtmlXQ_comment13]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17]红丢相,无解。黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12]红只有吃掉黑炮。||至此,可点击“棋谱搜索”中的“搜索当前残局解法”,在PAI残局库中找到解法,黑胜定。||||为此,第5回合红应车四退一将军一步。但王兄《江湖排局精解》第248页给出的着法还是黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12]
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2#
发表于 2014-4-13 11:08:58 | 显示全部楼层
此贴很有探讨价值,因王首成兄的《江湖排局精解》中,此变认为是和棋,到底是黑胜还是和棋,请大家再研究。
4楼沉默兄贴出的第四回合帅四平五变,5、6、7、8楼陈兄给出了拆解着法,应是黑胜无疑。下面将我的研究着法贴出请指正。
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[DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment9_22]防炮5平7[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_22][DhtmlXQ_comment9_26]想退炮打卒,为时已晚。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_26][DhtmlXQ_comment9_29]黑胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_29][DhtmlXQ_comment9_21]简洁胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_21][DhtmlXQ_comment9_12]败[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_12]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_12_9]578717194948191848491858493969598789404760674707897907096787594979490949[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_12_9][DhtmlXQ_comment47]黑海底捞月胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment47][DhtmlXQ_comment8]此变黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12]败||同理,炮三退几,黑方都可用以下法获胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12]
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3#
发表于 2014-4-19 10:39:28 | 显示全部楼层
回复第18楼、19楼,着法不对,如第4回合红按18、19楼的变化走炮二平三,黑胜。
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]据说本图是著名象棋大师刘文哲在研讨本局时演变而成的,是本局最高深的一种变化。《精解》中介绍了将5平4,车4平7,炮5平2的走法,结论都是和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8]红可以这样走[/DhtmlXQ_comment8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_7]??[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_22]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_22]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment16_12]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_12]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment33]黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment33]
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