星移斗轉

★星海★ · 发表于 2014-10-26 22:35:44

本帖最后由 ★星海★ 于 2014-10-27 12:20 编辑

棋谱都是象5进7，增加象5进3的变化。
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[DhtmlXQ_title]《竹香齋》初集第54局〝星移斗轉〞[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_date]2007-08-26[/DhtmlXQ_date]
[DhtmlXQ_author]东萍公司[/DhtmlXQ_author]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment10_45]||和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_45]
[DhtmlXQ_move_10_24_1]46368737413258484252484489813848365644648141646252516232[/DhtmlXQ_move_10_24_1]
[DhtmlXQ_move_1_26_2]8980584842524841803041443037444737273848365647275646483852422737[/DhtmlXQ_move_1_26_2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_41]||和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_41]
[DhtmlXQ_move_13_18_10]5171385871764748764648388929872746362737292858543646542428183717415024344648383948471712424139384140343040413034[/DhtmlXQ_move_13_18_10]
[DhtmlXQ_move_13_18_3]51563836894947484946875756865758425248385251384851504838504038484666586866766878[/DhtmlXQ_move_13_18_3]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_37]||　　黑炮被牵制无法脱身，和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_17]||劣着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_46]||红劣黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment0]||　　以下着法，是根据上海朱鹤洲前辈在《竹香斋》诠注本的着法录出（2000年1月上海文化出版社出版）。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_5]415260613132547442646164[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_2]||劣着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_2]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_3_6]547442608187323174785646786860826878415278688264687831327868464768673839874789804745805067575057[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_3_6]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_3]||败着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_3]
[DhtmlXQ_move_6_5_7]74788983464583537858485859493848[/DhtmlXQ_move_6_5_7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_12]||黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_26]||黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_26]
[DhtmlXQ_move_6_19_8]8788383988484748684889814878815178583242[/DhtmlXQ_move_6_19_8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_28]||黑胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_28]
[DhtmlXQ_move_6_7_9]74543839874789824645822254245657[/DhtmlXQ_move_6_7_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_14]||黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_14]
[DhtmlXQ_move_13_27_11]16367679464579494737493937473936[/DhtmlXQ_move_13_27_11]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_14_12]42641838324281805150808350563836898636264252262456464737648283135251[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_14_12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_17]劣[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_17]
[DhtmlXQ_move_12_17_14]8183[/DhtmlXQ_move_12_17_14]
[DhtmlXQ_move_12_17_13]81875181877781863836867677578986361641321626425226363241361676774645775747488680[/DhtmlXQ_move_12_17_13]
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yuntao云涛 · 发表于 2014-10-26 23:50:28

本帖最后由 yuntao云涛于 2014-10-26 23:51 编辑

★星海★ 发表于 2014-10-26 22:35
棋谱都是象5进7，增加象5进3的变化。

黑14回合改成炮6进3，黑胜
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[DhtmlXQ_title]《竹香齋》初集第54局〝星移斗轉〞[/DhtmlXQ_title]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment10_45]||和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_45]
[DhtmlXQ_move_10_24_1]46368737413258484252484489813848365644648141646252516232[/DhtmlXQ_move_10_24_1]
[DhtmlXQ_move_1_26_2]8980584842524841803041443037444737273848365647275646483852422737[/DhtmlXQ_move_1_26_2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_41]||和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_41]
[DhtmlXQ_move_13_18_10]5171385871764748764648388929872746362737292858543646542428183717415024344648383948471712424139384140343040413034[/DhtmlXQ_move_13_18_10]
[DhtmlXQ_move_13_18_3]51563836894947484946875756865758425248385251384851504838504038484666586866766878[/DhtmlXQ_move_13_18_3]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_37]||　　黑炮被牵制无法脱身，和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_17]||劣着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_46]||红劣黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment0]||　　以下着法，是根据上海朱鹤洲前辈在《竹香斋》诠注本的着法录出（2000年1月上海文化出版社出版）。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_5]415260613132547442646164[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_2]||劣着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_2]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_3_6]547442608187323174785646786860826878415278688264687831327868464768673839874789804745805067575057[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_3_6]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_3]||败着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_3]
[DhtmlXQ_move_6_5_7]74788983464583537858485859493848[/DhtmlXQ_move_6_5_7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_12]||黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_26]||黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_26]
[DhtmlXQ_move_6_19_8]8788383988484748684889814878815178583242[/DhtmlXQ_move_6_19_8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_28]||黑胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_28]
[DhtmlXQ_move_6_7_9]74543839874789824645822254245657[/DhtmlXQ_move_6_7_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_14]||黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_14]
[DhtmlXQ_move_13_27_11]16367679464579494737493937473936[/DhtmlXQ_move_13_27_11]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_14_12]42641838324281805150808350563836898636264252262456464737648283135251[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_14_12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_17]劣[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_17]
[DhtmlXQ_move_12_17_14]8183[/DhtmlXQ_move_12_17_14]
[DhtmlXQ_move_12_17_13]81875181877781863836867677578986361641321626425226363241361676774645775747488680[/DhtmlXQ_move_12_17_13]
[DhtmlXQ_move_12_17_4]464551813834818634444232444186464757894941444945575832315859464844434544434044424050428250568289565531415554484959588959[/DhtmlXQ_move_12_17_4]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_31_20]54574648383948475756191039384748383948465657464757561030[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_31_20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment28]||黑改成这样[/DhtmlXQ_comment28]
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★星海★ · 发表于 2014-10-27 08:31:37

本帖最后由 ★星海★ 于 2014-10-27 08:37 编辑

yuntao云涛：黑14回合改成炮6进3，黑胜

32楼黑胜不成立
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[DhtmlXQ_comment10_45]||和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_45]
[DhtmlXQ_move_10_24_1]46368737413258484252484489813848365644648141646252516232[/DhtmlXQ_move_10_24_1]
[DhtmlXQ_move_1_26_2]8980584842524841803041443037444737273848365647275646483852422737[/DhtmlXQ_move_1_26_2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_41]||和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_41]
[DhtmlXQ_move_13_18_10]5171385871764748764648388929872746362737292858543646542428183717415024344648383948471712424139384140343040413034[/DhtmlXQ_move_13_18_10]
[DhtmlXQ_move_13_18_3]51563836894947484946875756865758425248385251384851504838504038484666586866766878[/DhtmlXQ_move_13_18_3]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_37]||　　黑炮被牵制无法脱身，和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_17]||劣着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_46]||红劣黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment0]||　　以下着法，是根据上海朱鹤洲前辈在《竹香斋》诠注本的着法录出（2000年1月上海文化出版社出版）。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_5]415260613132547442646164[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_2]||劣着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_2]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_3_6]547442608187323174785646786860826878415278688264687831327868464768673839874789804745805067575057[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_3_6]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_3]||败着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_3]
[DhtmlXQ_move_6_5_7]74788983464583537858485859493848[/DhtmlXQ_move_6_5_7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_12]||黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_26]||黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_26]
[DhtmlXQ_move_6_19_8]8788383988484748684889814878815178583242[/DhtmlXQ_move_6_19_8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_28]||黑胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_28]
[DhtmlXQ_move_6_7_9]74543839874789824645822254245657[/DhtmlXQ_move_6_7_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_14]||黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_14]
[DhtmlXQ_move_13_27_11]16367679464579494737493937473936[/DhtmlXQ_move_13_27_11]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_14_12]42641838324281805150808350563836898636264252262456464737648283135251[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_14_12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_17]劣[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_17]
[DhtmlXQ_move_12_17_14]8183[/DhtmlXQ_move_12_17_14]
[DhtmlXQ_move_12_17_13]81875181877781863836867677578986361641321626425226363241361676774645775747488680[/DhtmlXQ_move_12_17_13]
[DhtmlXQ_move_12_17_4]464551813834818634444232444186464757894941444945575832315859464844434544434044424050428250568289565531415554484959588959[/DhtmlXQ_move_12_17_4]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_31_15]34331910545746483839484757561030[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_31_15][DhtmlXQ_move_0_31_20]54574648383948475756191039384748383948465657464757561030[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_31_20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment28]||黑改成这样[/DhtmlXQ_comment28]
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yuntao云涛 · 发表于 2014-10-27 10:28:37

★星海★ 发表于 2014-10-27 08:31

是黑胜
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[DhtmlXQ_comment10_45]||和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_45]
[DhtmlXQ_move_10_24_1]46368737413258484252484489813848365644648141646252516232[/DhtmlXQ_move_10_24_1]
[DhtmlXQ_move_1_26_2]8980584842524841803041443037444737273848365647275646483852422737[/DhtmlXQ_move_1_26_2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_41]||和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_41]
[DhtmlXQ_move_13_18_10]5171385871764748764648388929872746362737292858543646542428183717415024344648383948471712424139384140343040413034[/DhtmlXQ_move_13_18_10]
[DhtmlXQ_move_13_18_3]51563836894947484946875756865758425248385251384851504838504038484666586866766878[/DhtmlXQ_move_13_18_3]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_37]||　　黑炮被牵制无法脱身，和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_17]||劣着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_46]||红劣黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment0]||　　以下着法，是根据上海朱鹤洲前辈在《竹香斋》诠注本的着法录出（2000年1月上海文化出版社出版）。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_5]415260613132547442646164[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_2]||劣着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_2]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_3_6]547442608187323174785646786860826878415278688264687831327868464768673839874789804745805067575057[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_3_6]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_3]||败着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_3]
[DhtmlXQ_move_6_5_7]74788983464583537858485859493848[/DhtmlXQ_move_6_5_7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_12]||黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_26]||黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_26]
[DhtmlXQ_move_6_19_8]8788383988484748684889814878815178583242[/DhtmlXQ_move_6_19_8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_28]||黑胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_28]
[DhtmlXQ_move_6_7_9]74543839874789824645822254245657[/DhtmlXQ_move_6_7_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_14]||黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_14]
[DhtmlXQ_move_13_27_11]16367679464579494737493937473936[/DhtmlXQ_move_13_27_11]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_14_12]42641838324281805150808350563836898636264252262456464737648283135251[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_14_12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_17]劣[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_17]
[DhtmlXQ_move_12_17_14]8183[/DhtmlXQ_move_12_17_14]
[DhtmlXQ_move_12_17_13]81875181877781863836867677578986361641321626425226363241361676774645775747488680[/DhtmlXQ_move_12_17_13]
[DhtmlXQ_move_12_17_4]464551813834818634444232444186464757894941444945575832315859464844434544434044424050428250568289565531415554484959588959[/DhtmlXQ_move_12_17_4]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_31_15]34331910545746483839484757561030[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_31_15]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_31_20]54574648383948475756191039384748383948465657464757561030[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_31_20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment28]||黑改成这样[/DhtmlXQ_comment28]
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yjr123 · 发表于 2014-10-27 10:45:31

yuntao云涛发表于 2014-10-27 10:28
是黑胜

20回合改走炮七退三黑怎么胜？

yjr123 · 发表于 2014-10-27 12:37:12

本局走完8个回合的形势，菜鸟的残局库结论不知是否能够查到？

菜鸟来玩 · 发表于 2014-10-27 15:11:42

12回合走车六进二黑胜

菜鸟来玩 · 发表于 2014-10-27 15:12:57

本帖最后由菜鸟来玩于 2014-11-5 11:26 编辑

原帖删除，敬请谅解。

聨吟客 · 发表于 2014-10-27 16:55:58

這樣可否

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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]||　　以下着法，是根据上海朱鹤洲前辈在《竹香斋》诠注本的着法录出（2000年1月上海文化出版社出版）。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
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聨吟客 · 发表于 2014-10-27 17:06:43

菜鸟来玩发表于 2014-10-27 15:11
12回合走车六进二黑胜

黑勝法是如何呢

★星海★ · 发表于 2014-10-27 17:14:50

本帖最后由 ★星海★ 于 2014-10-27 17:17 编辑

聨吟客发表于 2014-10-27 16:55
這樣可否

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★星海★ · 发表于 2014-10-27 17:29:15

菜鸟来玩发表于 2014-10-27 15:12
这局面应当分不出胜负，红走车六进二不行。

车六进二黑如何胜？

聨吟客 · 发表于 2014-10-27 17:31:57

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象棋法官 · 发表于 2014-10-27 18:23:15

刚才我和菜鸟走了，末尾菜鸟说红方是长捉，我说大陆棋规一捉一闲。
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炎与夜 · 发表于 2014-10-27 18:27:13

本帖最后由炎与夜于 2014-10-27 18:30 编辑

象棋法官发表于 2014-10-27 18:23
刚才我和菜鸟走了，末尾菜鸟说红方是长捉，我说大陆棋规一捉一闲。

呵呵，是长捉：因为黑炮无根，捉无根子算长捉。但是这仅为一个方面。白方捉炮应该是佯捉（即假捉，《心》中有此类棋规）。可以归为“闲”。具体怎么判，请教高手。

象棋法官 · 发表于 2014-10-27 18:34:03

车六退二是捉，车六进二是闲，有棋规。

炎与夜 · 发表于 2014-10-27 18:36:05

象棋法官发表于 2014-10-27 18:34
车六退二是捉，车六进二是闲，有棋规。

呵呵，有些道理。那么，似可以按照法官兄来判：判一捉一闲，双方不变，可以作和。

飞天神弈 · 发表于 2014-10-27 18:38:45

这是一捉一闲，大陆棋规不变作和。

聨吟客 · 发表于 2014-10-27 21:56:43

嗯,亞洲規則44樓長捉, 但用43樓走法應仍可和

所以此局無論大陸規則或亞洲規則,應都能和局

象棋法官 · 发表于 2014-10-27 23:41:40

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聨吟客发表于 2014-10-27 21:56
嗯,亞洲規則44樓長捉

不是按大陆棋规诠正的吗？又使用双重标准了。按亚规原谱炮一退六也能走和。

聨吟客 · 发表于 2014-10-28 12:16:30

按照大陸規則,43與44樓都能和,43樓可以不用一將一殺, 只要最後兵平六紅很容易和

但若象5進7好像就只有炮沉底能和, 所以仍應以象5 進7為主變為佳

我很久以前還研究過象5退3, 當時認為不精采也就沒有紀錄下來

★星海★ · 发表于 2014-10-28 12:31:07

聨吟客发表于 2014-10-28 12:16
按照大陸規則,43與44樓都能和,43樓可以不用一將一殺, 只要最後兵平六紅很容易和

但若象5進7好像就只有 ...

这样黑方如何胜？
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聨吟客 · 发表于 2014-10-28 12:38:40

52樓9回合紅连走兩步?

★星海★ · 发表于 2014-10-28 12:41:35

聨吟客发表于 2014-10-28 12:38
52樓9回合紅连走兩步?

9回合改走退炮。

聨吟客 · 发表于 2014-10-28 12:46:11

我的意思是紅只要走成下圖, ,好像只有這樣應能和

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2014-10-28 12:51:01

這樣炮沉底,可能是唯一的和法?同4樓後半段
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★星海★ · 发表于 2014-10-28 12:51:56

炮在卒林线也是和。如果飞7路象此时红可车六平七。

★星海★ · 发表于 2014-10-28 12:59:15

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聨吟客发表于 2014-10-28 12:51
這樣炮沉底,可能是唯一的和法?同4樓後半段

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[DhtmlXQ_comment2_41]||和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_41]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment4_46]||红劣黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_46]
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★星海★ · 发表于 2014-10-28 13:26:10

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红方受到“残局炮回家”思维定势的影响，按照大陆棋规，第9回合炮跑一退六是败局之源。
象5进7变：
按照大陆棋规，可走沉底炮、卒林炮、巡河炮。
按照亚规，可走沉底炮、卒林炮、巡河炮、炮一退六。
象5进3变:
按照大陆棋规，可走沉底炮、骑河炮、巡河炮、，如走卒林炮黑胜。
按照亚规，可走沉底炮、炮一退，如走卒林炮、巡河炮、骑河炮黑胜。

聨吟客 · 发表于 2014-10-28 13:36:21

乾脆由星海兄整理投稿如何?只要註明有我的研究即可,當然還有yjr123,象棋法官..............等人參與

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9回合也可炮一退四，与炮一退二雷同。