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作者: ★星海★ 时间: 2014-10-31 14:38
标题: 锦堂春昼
赵殿忠老师认为着法有商榷的余地，原图可能是红胜。此后，联吟客、承云医疾、yjr123、象棋法官等棋友对此局进行讨论，提出了一些新的走法，讨论只进行一半。今天读《竹香斋》见到此局，感觉有必要开专贴研究，把未完成的讨论继续下去，找到“锦堂春昼”的正确结论。 讨论着法抄录如下： [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999259949998733139961999999701451999950403099990043889999086968[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]竹香齋锦堂春昼 [/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_remark]邢春波[/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_author]邢春波[/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战全局/开局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_owner]邢春波[/DhtmlXQ_owner] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]332151211343504161216858876988827060081843030020035382422124415060504041535820234959[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_27]红方胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_27] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_9_3]2124081843030020035320225358224249594152581842495958828124544944545744541817815114135241174754531312535212115157475752575857415211214041[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_9_3] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_16_1]586824744152535240415242413142432022433322327434[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_16_1] [DhtmlXQ_comment9]联吟客提出的走法。||旧谱走炮七退三失去胜机。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9] [DhtmlXQ_comment16]yjr123提出的走法，比较顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16] [DhtmlXQ_comment11]高佩玉老师提出的走法[/DhtmlXQ_comment11] [DhtmlXQ_comment21]“象棋法官”指出改走此着红优。[/DhtmlXQ_comment21] [/DhtmlXQ]

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2014-10-31 19:58
呵呵,很久多年以前我研究兵二平三,筆記只寫著紅優似可勝,但太懶沒有把走法記下來(當然我當時研究的走法也未必完全正確),就生疏忘記 ,很高興現經各位網友的研究補充更趨完善

作者: zhaodi 时间: 2014-10-31 20:20
象棋法官还提到一路变化，第5回合，红走车五平四！应该也是红优，但无法胜。

作者: ★星海★ 时间: 2014-10-31 22:39
第5回合有兵二平三和车五平四，两种走法都是红优，但不易取胜。[DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999259949998733139961999999701451999950403099990043889999086968[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]竹香齋锦堂春昼 [/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_remark]邢春波[/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_author]邢春波[/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战全局/开局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_owner]邢春波[/DhtmlXQ_owner] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]33215121134350416121685887698882706008184303002003538242212441506050404153582023495942125851414250402343[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_27]红方胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_27] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_9_3]2124081843030020035320225358224249594152581842495958828124544944545744541817815114135241174754531312535212115157475752575857415211214041[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_9_3] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_16_1]586824744152535240415242413142432022433322327434[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_16_1] [DhtmlXQ_comment9]联吟客提出的走法。||旧谱走炮七退三失去胜机。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9] [DhtmlXQ_comment16]yjr123提出的走法，比较顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16] [DhtmlXQ_comment21]“象棋法官”指出改走此着红优。（原讨论到此结束，后面是续着。）[/DhtmlXQ_comment21] [DhtmlXQ_comment11]高佩玉老师提出的走法[/DhtmlXQ_comment11] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_26_2]304151542343244442324447323154341232473718281424415237323141254743535949414032225358344440502228582844545040243428225444403034332212334352414342415044343040423212113231504147294050345450405474405074705051707151523141[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_26_2] [DhtmlXQ_comment26]红优但不易取胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment26] [/DhtmlXQ]

作者: ★星海★ 时间: 2014-10-31 23:06
红方可以提前改变着法，第9回合先不吃士好一些： [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999259949998733139961999999701451999950403099990043889999086968[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]竹香齋锦堂春昼 [/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_remark]邢春波[/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_author]邢春波[/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战全局/开局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_owner]邢春波[/DhtmlXQ_owner] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]3321512113435041612168588769888270600818430300200353824221244150535820234959304158182363698763601808606408004130242030411413423225476414132314545949544487693242205041305055444749394737394937355557356500026569494869622333[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_27]红方胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_27] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_9_3]2124081843030020035320225358224249594152581842495958828124544944545744541817815114135241174754531312535212115157475752575857415211214041[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_9_3] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_16_1]586824744152535240415242413142432022433322327434[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_16_1] [DhtmlXQ_comment9]联吟客提出的走法。||旧谱走炮七退三失去胜机。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9] [DhtmlXQ_comment16]yjr123提出的走法，比较顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16] [DhtmlXQ_comment4_21]“象棋法官”指出改走此着红优。（原讨论到此结束，后面是续着。）[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_21] [DhtmlXQ_comment11]高佩玉老师提出的走法[/DhtmlXQ_comment11] [DhtmlXQ_move_4_26_2]304151542343244442324447323154341232473718281424415237323141254743535949414032225358344440502228582844545040243428225444403034332212334352414342415044343040423212113231504147294050345450405474405074705051707151523141[/DhtmlXQ_move_4_26_2] [DhtmlXQ_comment4_26]红优但不易取胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_26] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_17_4]6050404153582023495942125851414250402343[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_17_4] [DhtmlXQ_comment17]吃士操之过急，失去胜机。改走此着较好。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17] [DhtmlXQ_comment25]车炮兵例胜车炮双士，||红方大有胜机。[/DhtmlXQ_comment25] [/DhtmlXQ]

作者: ★星海★ 时间: 2014-11-1 17:04
[DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999259949998733139961999999701451999950403099990043889999086968[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]竹香齋锦堂春昼 [/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_remark]邢春波[/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_author]邢春波[/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战全局/开局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_owner]邢春波[/DhtmlXQ_owner] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]332151211343504161216858876988827060081843030020035382422124415053582023495930415818236369876360180860640800413024203041141342322547641413231454594954448769324220504130505544432322434749394737394937272212[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_27]红方胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_27] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_9_3]2124081843030020035320225358224249594152581842495958828124544944545744541817815114135241174754531312535212115157475752575857415211214041[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_9_3] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_16_1]586824744152535240415242413142432022433322327434[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_16_1] [DhtmlXQ_comment9]联吟客提出的走法。||旧谱走炮七退三失去胜机。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9] [DhtmlXQ_comment16]yjr123提出的走法，比较顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16] [DhtmlXQ_comment4_21]“象棋法官”指出改走此着红优。（原讨论到此结束，后面是续着。）[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_21] [DhtmlXQ_comment11]高佩玉老师提出的走法[/DhtmlXQ_comment11] [DhtmlXQ_move_4_26_2]304151542343244442324447323154341232473718281424415237323141254743535949414032225358344440502228582844545040243428225444403034332212334352414342415044343040423212113231504147294050345450405474405074705051707151523141[/DhtmlXQ_move_4_26_2] [DhtmlXQ_comment4_26]红优但不易取胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_26] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_17_4]6050404153582023495942125851414250402343[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_17_4] [DhtmlXQ_comment17]吃士操之过急，失去胜机。改走此着较好。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17] [DhtmlXQ_comment25]车炮兵例胜车炮双士，||红方大有胜机。[/DhtmlXQ_comment25] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_44_5]444749394737394937355557356500026569494869622333[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_44_5][DhtmlXQ_comment51]红方取胜不易[/DhtmlXQ_comment51] [/DhtmlXQ]

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2014-11-1 20:52
[DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999259949998733139961999999701451999950403099990043889999086968[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]竹香齋锦堂春昼 [/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_remark]邢春波[/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_author]邢春波[/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战全局/开局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_owner]邢春波[/DhtmlXQ_owner] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]3321512113435041612168588769888270600818430300200353824221244150535820234959304160504030583842323818[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_27]红方胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_27] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_9_3]2124081843030020035320225358224249594152581842495958828124544944545744541817815114135241174754531312535212115157475752575857415211214041[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_9_3] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_16_1]586824744152535240415242413142432022433322327434[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_16_1] [DhtmlXQ_comment9]联吟客提出的走法。||旧谱走炮七退三失去胜机。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9] [DhtmlXQ_comment16]yjr123提出的走法，比较顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16] [DhtmlXQ_comment4_21]“象棋法官”指出改走此着红优。（原讨论到此结束，后面是续着。）[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_21] [DhtmlXQ_comment11]高佩玉老师提出的走法[/DhtmlXQ_comment11] [DhtmlXQ_move_4_26_2]304151542343244442324447323154341232473718281424415237323141254743535949414032225358344440502228582844545040243428225444403034332212334352414342415044343040423212113231504147294050345450405474405074705051707151523141[/DhtmlXQ_move_4_26_2] [DhtmlXQ_comment4_26]红优但不易取胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_26] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_17_4]6050404153582023495942125851414250402343[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_17_4] [DhtmlXQ_comment17]吃士操之过急，失去胜机。改走此着较好。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17] [DhtmlXQ_comment6_25]车炮兵例胜车炮双士，||红方大有胜机。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_25] [DhtmlXQ_move_6_44_5]444749394737394937355557356500026569494869622333[/DhtmlXQ_move_6_44_5] [DhtmlXQ_comment6_51]红方取胜不易[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_51] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_21_6]5818236369876360180860640800413024203041141342322547641413231454594954448769324220504130505544432322434749394737394937272212[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_21_6] [DhtmlXQ_move_8_28_7]23431413431352424030594913332420[/DhtmlXQ_move_8_28_7] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_22_8]4150585040415051414051524041525141405158[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_22_8][DhtmlXQ_comment21]||這樣結果如何[/DhtmlXQ_comment21] [/DhtmlXQ]

作者: ★星海★ 时间: 2014-11-1 22:04
[/quote] [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999259949998733139961999999701451999950403099990043889999086968[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]竹香齋锦堂春昼 [/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_remark]邢春波[/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_author]邢春波[/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战全局/开局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_owner]邢春波[/DhtmlXQ_owner] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]332151211343504161216858876988827060081843030020035382422124415053582023495930416050415058504041505141405152234314134202[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_27]红方胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_27] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_9_3]2124081843030020035320225358224249594152581842495958828124544944545744541817815114135241174754531312535212115157475752575857415211214041[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_9_3] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_16_1]586824744152535240415242413142432022433322327434[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_16_1] [DhtmlXQ_comment9]联吟客提出的走法。||旧谱走炮七退三失去胜机。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9] [DhtmlXQ_comment16]yjr123提出的走法，比较顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16] [DhtmlXQ_comment4_21]“象棋法官”指出改走此着红优。（原讨论到此结束，后面是续着。）[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_21] [DhtmlXQ_comment11]高佩玉老师提出的走法[/DhtmlXQ_comment11] [DhtmlXQ_move_4_26_2]304151542343244442324447323154341232473718281424415237323141254743535949414032225358344440502228582844545040243428225444403034332212334352414342415044343040423212113231504147294050345450405474405074705051707151523141[/DhtmlXQ_move_4_26_2] [DhtmlXQ_comment4_26]红优但不易取胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_26] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_17_4]6050404153582023495942125851414250402343[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_17_4] [DhtmlXQ_comment17]吃士操之过急，失去胜机。改走此着较好。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17] [DhtmlXQ_comment6_25]车炮兵例胜车炮双士，||红方大有胜机。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_25] [DhtmlXQ_move_6_44_5]444749394737394937355557356500026569494869622333[/DhtmlXQ_move_6_44_5] [DhtmlXQ_comment6_51]红方取胜不易[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_51] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_21_6]5818236369876360180860640800413024203041141342322547641413231454594954448769324220504130505544432322434749394737394937272212[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_21_6] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_22_8]4030583842323818[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_22_8] [DhtmlXQ_comment21]||這樣結果如何[/DhtmlXQ_comment21] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_28_7]4041525141405158[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_28_7] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_30_9]431352424030594913332420[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_30_9] [/DhtmlXQ]

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2014-11-1 22:55
嗯,修正一下 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999259949998733139961999999701451999950403099990043889999086968[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]竹香齋锦堂春昼 [/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_remark]邢春波[/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_author]邢春波[/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战全局/开局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_owner]邢春波[/DhtmlXQ_owner] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]332151211343504161216858876988827060081843030020035382422124415053582023495930416050415058504041505141405158[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_27]红方胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_27] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_9_3]2124081843030020035320225358224249594152581842495958828124544944545744541817815114135241174754531312535212115157475752575857415211214041[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_9_3] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_16_1]586824744152535240415242413142432022433322327434[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_16_1] [DhtmlXQ_comment9]联吟客提出的走法。||旧谱走炮七退三失去胜机。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9] [DhtmlXQ_comment16]yjr123提出的走法，比较顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16] [DhtmlXQ_comment4_21]“象棋法官”指出改走此着红优。（原讨论到此结束，后面是续着。）[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_21] [DhtmlXQ_comment11]高佩玉老师提出的走法[/DhtmlXQ_comment11] [DhtmlXQ_move_4_26_2]304151542343244442324447323154341232473718281424415237323141254743535949414032225358344440502228582844545040243428225444403034332212334352414342415044343040423212113231504147294050345450405474405074705051707151523141[/DhtmlXQ_move_4_26_2] [DhtmlXQ_comment4_26]红优但不易取胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_26] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_17_4]6050404153582023495942125851414250402343[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_17_4] [DhtmlXQ_comment17]吃士操之过急，失去胜机。改走此着较好。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17] [DhtmlXQ_comment6_25]车炮兵例胜车炮双士，||红方大有胜机。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_25] [DhtmlXQ_move_6_44_5]444749394737394937355557356500026569494869622333[/DhtmlXQ_move_6_44_5] [DhtmlXQ_comment6_51]红方取胜不易[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_51] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_21_6]5818236369876360180860640800413024203041141342322547641413231454594954448769324220504130505544432322434749394737394937272212[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_21_6] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_22_8]4030583842323818[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_22_8] [DhtmlXQ_comment21]||這樣結果如何[/DhtmlXQ_comment21] [/DhtmlXQ]

作者: ★星海★ 时间: 2014-11-2 11:24
兵二平三红优，但不易取胜。再看看车五平四： [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999259949998733139961999999701451999950403099990043889999086968[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]竹香齋锦堂春昼 [/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_remark]★星海★[/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_author]★星海★[/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战全局/开局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_owner]★星海★[/DhtmlXQ_owner] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]33215121134350416121685887698882435382425358415021610003495950415851428261678289698741525152304152580363674741325850404170606333505141425154424114243339595841312423393858593241232238365404415222213141044441514707365659495606075752414441515241440646444689594656[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_27]红方胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_27] 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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2014-11-2 17:14
9樓已對7樓修正, 紅能勝否?

作者: ★星海★ 时间: 2014-11-2 18:07
9樓已對7樓修正, 紅能勝否?[/quote] 9楼没有看到红方取胜的办法。

作者: 炎与夜 时间: 2014-11-2 18:15
此局末后：子少、路宽、变化繁多、正着难寻，非一时能够找到精确变路，有待长期研究，非短时可及……

作者: ★星海★ 时间: 2014-11-2 20:33
本帖最后由 ★星海★ 于 2014-11-3 16:54 编辑

卒6平7增加变化：
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[DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment10_9]联吟客提出的走法。||旧谱走炮七退三失去胜机。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_16]yjr123提出的走法，比较顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_21]“象棋法官”指出改走此着红优。（原讨论到此结束，后面是续着。）[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_11]高佩玉老师提出的走法[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_11]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment10_17]吃士操之过急，失去胜机。改走此着较好。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_25]车炮兵例胜车炮双士，||红方大有胜机。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_51]红方取胜不易[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_51]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment6_21]||這樣結果如何[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_21]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment3_9]棋谱的走法[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_9]
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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2014-11-2 23:20
我要呼叫菜鳥了, 菜鳥菜鳥快獻寶,菜鳥可否用強軟解解9樓結果如何呢?11回合黑退士或是平將好呢?

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2014-11-3 15:23
我也沒把握, 只覺得紅優,如果兵二平三勝不了ㄝ,就以車平4為主吧, 看星海研究得是否正確

作者: zhaodi 时间: 2014-11-3 18:24
第5回合还有一变，红优

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[DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_remark]邢春波[/DhtmlXQ_remark]
[DhtmlXQ_author]邢春波[/DhtmlXQ_author]
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作者: ★星海★ 时间: 2014-11-3 18:50

zhaodi 发表于 2014-11-3 18:24
第5回合还有一变，红优

这一变红胜可能性也很大。

作者: zhaodi 时间: 2014-11-3 20:32
深入研究

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[DhtmlXQ_title]竹香齋锦堂春昼 [/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_remark]邢春波[/DhtmlXQ_remark]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_29]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment71]红胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment71]
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作者: 邢春波 时间: 2014-11-3 21:03
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_29]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_71]红胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_71]
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作者: 象棋法官 时间: 2014-11-3 21:15
演变一下看看：
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[DhtmlXQ_comment9]这样如何？[/DhtmlXQ_comment9]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_29]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_71]红胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_71]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment16]||黑是不是可以这样走[/DhtmlXQ_comment16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment45]红胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment45]
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作者: 邢春波 时间: 2014-11-3 21:28

象棋法官发表于 2014-11-3 21:15
演变一下看看：

9回合黑进炮打将软着，应改走车3进1

作者: 菜鸟来玩 时间: 2014-11-3 21:50
本帖最后由菜鸟来玩于 2014-11-5 11:24 编辑

原帖删除，敬请谅解。

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2014-11-3 22:04
呵呵呵呵呵,菜鳥語出驚人!!

,有意思......

作者: 邢春波 时间: 2014-11-3 22:05

菜鸟来玩发表于 2014-11-3 21:50
首先，第四回合黑应走炮9平8，走其他很快就输。

作者: 菜鸟来玩 时间: 2014-11-3 22:12
本帖最后由菜鸟来玩于 2014-11-5 11:24 编辑

原帖删除，敬请谅解。

作者: 象棋法官 时间: 2014-11-3 22:16

菜鸟来玩发表于 2014-11-3 22:12
咱们跟帖走招法吧，第五回合车五进一改走车五平四。谁有兴趣跟帖吧

14楼列出了5种走法，软件是如何选择？

作者: 菜鸟来玩 时间: 2014-11-3 22:19
可能看错了，应该是第三回合黑卒7平6改炮9平8,14楼红应走车五平四。

作者: 菜鸟来玩 时间: 2014-11-3 22:21
今天不知道你看了全国象棋个人比赛决赛的直播没有，郑惟桐先手胜王天一，用软件计算，郑惟桐棋力超过2700等级分，软件等级分为2950.确实厉害的。

作者: ★星海★ 时间: 2014-11-3 22:42
标题: 新变化，研究研究。
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作者: ★星海★ 时间: 2014-11-3 23:03

菜鸟来玩发表于 2014-11-3 22:21
今天不知道你看了全国象棋个人比赛决赛的直播没有，郑惟桐先手胜王天一，用软件计算，郑惟桐棋力超过2700等 ...

炮9平8也是红优，强软结论如何？

作者: 炎与夜 时间: 2014-11-4 01:55
本帖最后由炎与夜于 2014-11-4 01:59 编辑

菜鸟来玩发表于 2014-11-3 22:21
今天不知道你看了全国象棋个人比赛决赛的直播没有，郑惟桐先手胜王天一，用软件计算，郑惟桐棋力超过2700等 ...

借助高端电脑和棋软引擎的帮助，现代许多赛事中融入了“软件”的因素，依靠软件配合拆棋训练的棋队和个人不乏其人，由此顶级高手的水平越来越高。几乎可以这么说：现代纯人高手中称得上顶级的，几乎都是通过软件专业训练得来的。例如王天一每天就和软件训练3个小时。据我所知：就桌面上来说，目前八核心16线程已经解禁，虽频率较低，但毕竟是首款八核产品。对于服务器领域，一般多数使用双路十二核心24线程、十六核心32线程之类。也有棋队采用此类配置参与训练。引擎方面主要是旋风、名手和佳佳。目前旋风最强版本应该是七代旋风。名手实力也相当不俗。佳佳自然非常不错，也很厉害……

作者: ★星海★ 时间: 2014-11-4 09:53
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[DhtmlXQ_comment3_9]棋谱的走法[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment26_9]可能是红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment26_9]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment6]菜鸟来玩认为这是唯一正着，走其他着法很快就输。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment9]前面是必走着法，后面变化复杂。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9]
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作者: ★星海★ 时间: 2014-11-4 09:56
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_27]红方胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_27]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment10_9]联吟客提出的走法。||旧谱走炮七退三失去胜机。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_16]yjr123提出的走法，比较顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_21]“象棋法官”指出改走此着红优。（原讨论到此结束，后面是续着。）[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_11]高佩玉老师提出的走法[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_11]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment4_26]红优但不易取胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_26]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment10_17]吃士操之过急，失去胜机。改走此着较好。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_25]车炮兵例胜车炮双士，||红方大有胜机。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_51]红方取胜不易[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_51]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment6_21]||這樣結果如何[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_21]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment3_9]棋谱的走法[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment26_9]可能是红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment26_9]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment6]菜鸟来玩认为这是唯一正着，走其他着法很快就输。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment9]前面是必走着法，后面变化复杂。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9]
[DhtmlXQ_refer]http%3A//www.hgchess.com/%0D%0Ahttp%3A//www.hgchess.com/bbs/forum.php%3Fmod%3Dviewthread%26tid%3D33149%26page%3D2%26extra%3D[/DhtmlXQ_refer]
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作者: 菜鸟来玩 时间: 2014-11-4 11:01
这局面，目前没人给出绝对答案。请问这是实战的残局吗？

作者: 象棋法官 时间: 2014-11-4 11:04

菜鸟来玩发表于 2014-11-4 11:01
这局面，目前没人给出绝对答案。请问这是实战的残局吗？

这是古谱《竹香斋象戏谱》里的残局。

作者: 菜鸟来玩 时间: 2014-11-4 11:14
35楼第七回合炮8退4，黑很快输，应走炮8退6.

作者: ★星海★ 时间: 2014-11-4 15:27
本帖最后由 ★星海★ 于 2014-11-4 15:33 编辑

变化复杂，黑方和很难守和
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[DhtmlXQ_title]竹香齋锦堂春昼 [/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_remark]★星海★[/DhtmlXQ_remark]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_27]红方胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_27]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment10_9]联吟客提出的走法。||旧谱走炮七退三失去胜机。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_16]yjr123提出的走法，比较顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_21]“象棋法官”指出改走此着红优。（原讨论到此结束，后面是续着。）[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_11]高佩玉老师提出的走法[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_11]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment10_17]吃士操之过急，失去胜机。改走此着较好。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_25]车炮兵例胜车炮双士，||红方大有胜机。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_51]红方取胜不易[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_51]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment6_21]||這樣結果如何[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_21]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment3_9]棋谱的走法[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment26_9]可能是红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment26_9]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment6]菜鸟来玩认为这是唯一正着，走其他着法很快就输。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment9]前面是必走着法，后面变化复杂。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9]
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作者: 菜鸟来玩 时间: 2014-11-4 15:41
本帖最后由菜鸟来玩于 2014-11-5 11:23 编辑

原帖删除，敬请谅解。

作者: ★星海★ 时间: 2014-11-4 16:25
本帖最后由 ★星海★ 于 2014-11-4 22:47 编辑

这局棋非常复杂，不敢轻易下结论，只能从形势上说黑方难以谋和，想要证明就要旷日持久的讨论了。
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_27]红方胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_27]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment10_9]联吟客提出的走法。||旧谱走炮七退三失去胜机。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_16]yjr123提出的走法，比较顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_21]“象棋法官”指出改走此着红优。（原讨论到此结束，后面是续着。）[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_11]高佩玉老师提出的走法[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_11]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment4_26]红优但不易取胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_26]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment10_17]吃士操之过急，失去胜机。改走此着较好。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_25]车炮兵例胜车炮双士，||红方大有胜机。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_51]红方取胜不易[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_51]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment6_21]||這樣結果如何[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_21]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment3_9]棋谱的走法[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment26_9]可能是红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment26_9]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment9]前面是必走着法，后面变化复杂。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9]
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作者: 菜鸟来玩 时间: 2014-11-4 16:57
本帖最后由菜鸟来玩于 2014-11-5 11:23 编辑

原帖删除，敬请谅解。

作者: zhaodi 时间: 2014-11-4 17:30
强软也软了。哪有上来就有答案的排局，复杂的棋局都是慢慢探索出来的着法。

作者: 菜鸟来玩 时间: 2014-11-4 18:45
本帖最后由菜鸟来玩于 2014-11-5 11:23 编辑

原帖删除，敬请谅解。

作者: zhaodi 时间: 2014-11-4 19:35
继续探讨炮9退6局

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[DhtmlXQ_title]竹香齋   锦堂春昼   [/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_remark]邢春波[/DhtmlXQ_remark]
[DhtmlXQ_author]邢春波[/DhtmlXQ_author]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_29]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25]红胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment25]
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作者: 象棋法官 时间: 2014-11-4 21:05

zhaodi 发表于 2014-11-4 19:35
继续探讨炮9退6局

第9步炮5退1能多走几回合。

作者: ★星海★ 时间: 2014-11-21 15:08
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_27]红方胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_27]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment10_9]联吟客提出的走法。||旧谱走炮七退三失去胜机。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_16]yjr123提出的走法，比较顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_21]“象棋法官”指出改走此着红优。（原讨论到此结束，后面是续着。）[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_11]高佩玉老师提出的走法[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_11]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment4_26]红优但不易取胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_26]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment10_17]吃士操之过急，失去胜机。改走此着较好。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_25]车炮兵例胜车炮双士，||红方大有胜机。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_51]红方取胜不易[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_51]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment6_21]||這樣結果如何[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_21]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment3_9]棋谱的走法[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment26_9]可能是红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment26_9]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment6]菜鸟来玩认为这是唯一正着，走其他着法很快就输。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment9]前面是必走着法，后面变化复杂。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment38]红方取胜不易。[/DhtmlXQ_comment38]
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作者: ★星海★ 时间: 2014-11-21 15:13
本帖最后由 ★星海★ 于 2014-12-6 12:06 编辑

总的来说，第3回合平卒是红胜。改走炮9平8局面散了，以后没有固定的走法，黑方不出差错，应还是和局。

作者: dave7788 时间: 2014-12-4 07:51

★星海★ 发表于 2014-11-21 15:13
总的里说，第3回合平卒是红胜。改走炮9平8局面散了，以后没有固定的走法，黑方不出差错，应还是和局。

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[DhtmlXQ_comment10_9]联吟客提出的走法。||旧谱走炮七退三失去胜机。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_16]yjr123提出的走法，比较顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_21]“象棋法官”指出改走此着红优。（原讨论到此结束，后面是续着。）[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_11]高佩玉老师提出的走法[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_11]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment10_17]吃士操之过急，失去胜机。改走此着较好。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_25]车炮兵例胜车炮双士，||红方大有胜机。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_51]红方取胜不易[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_51]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment6_21]||這樣結果如何[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_21]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment3_9]棋谱的走法[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment26_9]可能是红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment26_9]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment6]菜鸟来玩认为这是唯一正着，走其他着法很快就输。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment9]前面是必走着法，后面变化复杂。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment41_38]红方取胜不易。[/DhtmlXQ_comment41_38]
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作者: 象棋法官 时间: 2014-12-4 12:53

dave7788 发表于 2014-12-4 07:51 准备炮七退八怎么样

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[DhtmlXQ_comment10_9]联吟客提出的走法。||旧谱走炮七退三失去胜机。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_16]yjr123提出的走法，比较顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_21]“象棋法官”指出改走此着红优。（原讨论到此结束，后面是续着。）[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_11]高佩玉老师提出的走法[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_11]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment4_26]红优但不易取胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_26]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment10_17]吃士操之过急，失去胜机。改走此着较好。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_25]车炮兵例胜车炮双士，||红方大有胜机。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_51]红方取胜不易[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_51]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment6_21]||這樣結果如何[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_21]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment3_9]棋谱的走法[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment26_9]可能是红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment26_9]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment9]前面是必走着法，后面变化复杂。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment41_38]红方取胜不易。[/DhtmlXQ_comment41_38]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment23]准备炮七退八怎么样[/DhtmlXQ_comment23]
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作者: ★星海★ 时间: 2014-12-5 13:54

dave7788 发表于 2014-12-4 07:51

红方好像没有明显优势。

作者: 桑莫喜 时间: 2014-12-5 19:47
49楼, 红13回合先走车4进2,再砲7退8会如何.

作者: ★星海★ 时间: 2014-12-6 12:04
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_27]红方胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_27]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment10_9]联吟客提出的走法。||旧谱走炮七退三失去胜机。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_16]yjr123提出的走法，比较顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_21]“象棋法官”指出改走此着红优。（原讨论到此结束，后面是续着。）[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_11]高佩玉老师提出的走法[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_11]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment4_26]红优但不易取胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_26]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment10_17]吃士操之过急，失去胜机。改走此着较好。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_25]车炮兵例胜车炮双士，||红方大有胜机。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_51]红方取胜不易[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_51]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment6_21]||這樣結果如何[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_21]
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作者: 桑莫喜 时间: 2014-12-6 18:49
楼上红18回合是否可走兵8进1.

作者: ★星海★ 时间: 2014-12-6 19:42

桑莫喜发表于 2014-12-6 18:49
楼上红18回合是否可走兵8进1.

可以。没有固定走法

作者: 桑莫喜 时间: 2014-12-6 19:50

★星海★ 发表于 2014-12-6 19:42
可以。没有固定走法

红砲7退8这路棋,黑应付不当要输,这路棋黑方难走.

作者: ★星海★ 时间: 2022-7-27 13:23
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作者: xqahz010 时间: 2022-7-27 14:55

★星海★ 发表于 2022-7-27 13:23

曾老师，您看看这着法对否

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作者: ★星海★ 时间: 2022-7-27 16:09

xqahz010 发表于 2022-7-27 14:55
曾老师，您看看这着法对否

12回合车1进1不太好，局势迅速恶化，11回合改走炮8进1还能守一阵吧

作者: xqahz010 时间: 2022-7-27 16:23

★星海★ 发表于 2022-7-27 16:09
12回合车1进1不太好，局势迅速恶化，11回合改走炮8进1还能守一阵吧

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