【转帖】江湖残局

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聨吟客 发表于 2017-6-30 11:06
這樣成立否?

谢谢您！

您3楼红方首着是兵五进一是正着。我2楼后车平六是变着。
这个局面能不能通过改进，把2楼的后车平六作为主变成和棋呢？如果可以，我个人觉得脱帽着法很新颖。请您试改。谢谢！

sdndsx

聨吟客 发表于 2017-7-1 12:26
這樣簡潔美觀  如何?

谢谢！谢谢！
如果是和棋，正是我期盼的！

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聨吟客 发表于 2017-7-1 18:21

补充一个变化
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这路变化红车一将一杀违例作负，如再走炮八平六，黑卒4平5胜。
这路变化至第九回合红另有车五进一的变化，最终也是黑胜，如果这一路变化正确，下一次再演变另外几个变化。

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聨吟客 发表于 2017-8-20 14:53
那樣變化很複雜 有待研究
18回合進將(即49樓),紅方 仍須面對規則,避不了的, 我的 最新理解是判和局

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[DhtmlXQ_comment3]判 拦。||||为什么？||1 红车与黑炮 的关系仍然是拦。红车不能离线！||2 走子前，通过 子力交换 多吃一卒，已经存在。||走子后，从捉到捉 没有发生质的变化。||判 拦。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8]红方一捉一拦。||黑方两闲。||变着作和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1]判 捉。||||理由：||1 走子前，红方平炮将军，黑炮可垫将。||走子后，红方平炮将军，黑炮垫将会被将死。只能兑车。通过 子力交换（不是红帅捉卒），红方多吃一个卒。||2 红车与黑炮 的关系并不是 捉！是 拦！||因为红车不能离线（中路）！离线会被将死！只能是 拦。||3 捉兼拦，从重判 捉。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1]
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聨吟客 发表于 2017-8-20 18:50
原來時老師是一級裁判,失敬失敬感謝回覆

最後卒被帥所抽吃的性質算是紅犯規嗎?如果時老師有認識國家 ...

最後卒被帥所抽吃的性質算是紅犯規嗎?

黑卒被帅吃掉，是走动红车后，导致双方 子力交换 的后果。需要判定的循环棋步是  走动红车 这步棋，至于红帅吃掉黑卒，是为了判定循环棋步性质而推导出来的，不是循环棋步，不需要判定。

76樓2回合黑可進3路卒如何？

只要不是循环棋步，就不需要判定。

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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]这个局面，红方可以这样走，巧妙地利用 现行 棋规。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0][DhtmlXQ_comment1]不是循环棋步，不需要判定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1][DhtmlXQ_comment3]不是循环棋步，不需要判定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3][DhtmlXQ_comment4]是循环棋步！需要判定。||||判 闲。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4][DhtmlXQ_comment5]是循环棋步！需要判定。||||判 拦。||||理由：||1 红车不能离线（中路）！红车与黑炮 的关系，是 拦。||2 走子前，双方通过 子力交换 红方多吃一卒，已经存在。||走子后，依然存在。从捉到捉，没有发生新的捉。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5][DhtmlXQ_comment6]判 闲。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6][DhtmlXQ_comment7]判 拦。||||理由：||1 红车不能离线（中路）！红车与黑炮 的关系，是 拦。||2 走子前，双方通过 子力交换 红方多吃一卒，已经存在。||走子后，依然存在。从捉到捉，没有发生新的捉。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7][DhtmlXQ_comment8]判 闲。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8][DhtmlXQ_comment13]红方长拦。||黑方两闲。||不变作和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment13][DhtmlXQ_comment2]不是循环棋步，不需要判定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2]
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聨吟客 发表于 2017-8-21 09:35
仍不是很懂 ,那就這樣吧,大陸判黑勝此局真的可惜

台灣規則同亞洲規則判和,這樣我心裡好過一點:lo ...

联吟客 老师：
您可能误会了，学生我在74楼对49楼的判定：红方必须变着，不变作负。79楼学生我给出了判定：双方不变作和。并没有判定黑胜啊。学生我是站在您的角度啊！红方不可以按79楼走棋吗？即便是按76楼走棋，双方不变也是作和吗！也没有判定黑胜啊。

您在80楼提出：79樓3回合黑仍應進將？
按您的提示，学生我只能推导出以下的循环局面和判定：
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80楼：仍不是很懂 。

哪里不懂？尽管贴出来。互相交流，互相启迪，就贴论帖，共同探讨。应该是正能量。