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蕉竹斋——四季长春(四合如意)(上集局29,总29)?一路变化探讨

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发表于 2018-11-5 21:22:24 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]分类:双车单马炮类.||竹谱三28局四合如意,蕉谱29局四季长春,渊谱58局 祁山.||||该局有路变化黑胜还是和棋有待拆解。||||[FEN=P2k1a3/2P1a1c2/b8/6p2/7R1/2p6/9/4K3B/2r6/7C1 b - - 1 5]待拆可和否?[/FEN]||||[FEN=P2k1a3/3C5/b2R5/6p2/9/2p6/4r4/4K3B/9/9 w - - 1 9]蕉竹斋第3局,黑胜。[/FEN](该变可续弈,多种诠注本认为续弈为黑胜,我觉得可和)[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9]||[FEN=P2k1a3/3c5/b2R5/6p2/9/2p6/2rC5/4K3B/9/9 b - - 4 9]弈聪认为可和着法1[/FEN]||||[FEN=1P2k4/9/4b4/9/9/7p1/7r1/5R2B/4p1C2/5K3 w - - 37 31]王首成白宏宽蕉竹斋版本认为黑胜[/FEN]||||[FEN=P2k5/9/b8/6p2/9/5R3/9/8B/4p2r1/5K3 w - - 12 26]朱鹤洲版本黑胜1[/FEN]||||[FEN=1P1k5/9/9/9/5R3/9/9/4B2p1/5p3/4K1r2 w - - 0 34]朱鹤洲版本黑胜2[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17]个人认为走炮六进三即可和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18]蕉竹斋3局至此作黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment55]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment55]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_55]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_55]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_43]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_31]至此黑车轻易不敢离开中线。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_47]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_101]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_101]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_29]?||黑7路卒最后过河。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_62]黑胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_62]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_46]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_52]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_52]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_68]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_68]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_106]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_106]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_64]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_64]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_54]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_54]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_21]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_50]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_76]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_76]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14_21]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14_71]红一将一抽车。[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_71]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_17]弈聪注:感觉长拦黑车即和了。黑走其它红走闲,黑动车红炮长拦住。黑卒怎么进?[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_40]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_9]和。主变着法,略。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_9]
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发表于 7 天前 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 dave7788 于 2018-11-9 07:36 编辑

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 楼主| 发表于 7 天前 | 显示全部楼层
竹香斋版本我还没有仔细看,看样子又有了新的诠正着法。
 楼主| 发表于 7 天前 | 显示全部楼层

看了一下白宏宽和朱鹤洲版本的四合如意局,确实比在蕉竹斋中有了很多的诠正着法。

不过在看白宏宽版本的竹香斋时,又发现在同一页中的借风纵阵局的注解6着法好象也有误。第三行的黑将5平4改走炮6退3似可和。请白老师看一下是否如此。

象5进7
12. 兵二平三  炮2平6
13. 兵三平四  炮6退3
14. 兵四进一  将5进1
发表于 7 天前 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 dave7788 于 2018-11-9 07:42 编辑

注解6红胜结论是对的,13回合兵三平四错,应该走炮八进一再兵三平四(以前的诠注本就是这样走的)。
发表于 7 天前 | 显示全部楼层
注解6的本意是——
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