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[排局诠正] 征东局再度探讨

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发表于 2018-11-11 19:18:45 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
本帖最后由 chouzhouyu 于 2018-11-12 19:50 编辑

原先发过一路变化的探讨,见另一贴子。http://www.hgchess.com/bbs/forum ... 2371&extra=page%3D1

今再探讨脱帽之后黑车5退3的一路变化,发现各诠注本有很多待商讨的地方。

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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]分类:双车炮类.|| 分类:跨海征东格.||  逸品2局跨海征东,蕉谱1局声东击西,涯谱5局小征东.||||[FEN=9/5k3/b8/9/9/9/6P2/3pr4/1R3C3/3K5 b - - 11 13]变化分支处[/FEN]||||[FEN=9/5k3/4b4/9/9/9/6r2/3p5/4R1C2/3K5 w - - 12 25]诠正着法1[/FEN]||||[FEN=5k3/9/4b4/9/9/9/3r5/3p5/1R7/3K2C2 b - - 3 23]诠正着法2[/FEN]||||[FEN=9/3k5/4b4/6P2/9/9/7r1/3R2C2/4p4/5K3 b - - 35 25]诠正着法3[/FEN]||||[FEN=9/3k5/4b4/6P2/9/9/3r5/5RC2/4p4/5K3 w - - 34 24]诠正着法4[/FEN]||||[FEN=9/3k5/b8/9/2r6/9/6P2/3p5/1R7/3K4C b - - 21 18]诠正着法5[/FEN]||||[FEN=9/3k5/9/9/2b6/6P2/4r4/3R5/4p4/5KC2 b - - 29 22]诠正着法6[/FEN]||||||[FEN=9/5k3/b8/9/9/2r6/2R3P1C/9/4p4/3K5 b - - 21 18]蕉竹斋第1局,和[/FEN]||||[FEN=2b2k3/3R5/9/9/9/9/6P2/3p3r1/7C1/4K4 b - - 37 26]蕉竹斋第2局,和[/FEN]||||[FEN=9/3k5/b8/9/9/9/6P2/4R4/3r5/4K4 b - - 0 19]蕉竹斋第3局,和[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_26]与车5退3道理基本相同。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_26][FEN=4k4/9/9/2r6/2b6/9/2R3PC1/9/4p4/3K5 b - - 33 24]暂列该路主变,和[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment2_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_26]||这路棋原称「相花车」,是一种古老的着法.||||||[FEN=4k4/9/4b4/9/3R5/6P2/9/4r4/2p1C4/4K4 b - - 53 34]暂列该路主变,和[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment3_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_26]以上着法和甲局相同,这步棋车立河口,是一路最新的变化.||||[FEN=9/4k4/9/9/3R5/4r4/6P2/9/9/3K5 w - - 9 40]暂列该路主变,和[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment4_26]
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 楼主| 发表于 2018-11-11 19:28:36 | 显示全部楼层
有多处诠正的地方,不再拆分,统一到一个棋谱中。

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[DhtmlXQ_comment18]诠正着法6[/DhtmlXQ_comment18]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_18]??||至此已黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_23]诠正着法4||||逼红退炮,再平左,这样红车炮不在一线,无法拦黑车。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_25]黑已胜。红车不能离开四路线。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_23]??||应先平右再平左,则黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_24]诠正着法3[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_28]已和。下面着法仅供参考。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_54]已和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_54]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_24]?[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_27]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_8][FEN=9/3k5/b8/9/2r6/9/6P2/3p5/1R7/3K4C b - - 21 18]其它变招中红走炮五平一的局面,和。[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment4_8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_17]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_29]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_7]黑胜??[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_10]诠正着法5。暂作为和棋。||||各诠注本走车八平四或炮五平四。其它变招中也有炮五平一的招法,结果黑胜。||||||[FEN=9/3k5/b8/9/3r5/9/6P2/3p5/5R3/3K4C b - - 19 17]其它变招中红走炮五平一的局面1。[/FEN]||||||可能和棋。暂未找到黑取胜的着法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_38]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_25]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_13][FEN=9/3k5/b8/9/3r5/9/6P2/9/3p1R3/3K2C2 w - - 24 19]相同局面,黑胜。[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment8_13]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_10]导致以后红车移到右侧时,红炮不能升1利用车炮防黑卒。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_17]黑胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_33]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_11]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_4]主变着法,暂略。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_4]
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 楼主| 发表于 2018-11-11 19:29:11 | 显示全部楼层
有多处诠正的地方,不再拆分,统一到一个棋谱中。

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[DhtmlXQ_comment9][FEN=9/3k5/b8/9/3r5/9/6P2/9/3p1R3/3K2C2 w - - 24 19]相同局面[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18]诠正着法6[/DhtmlXQ_comment18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20]至此暂作和棋。||||黑车移左红炮长拦,移右红车居中将军后吃卒。||||黑若强变可能还是红优。形成残局为红车炮对黑车象,红帅居中。[/DhtmlXQ_comment20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_18]??||至此已黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_23]诠正着法4||||逼红退炮,再平左,这样红车炮不在一线,无法拦黑车。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_25]黑已胜。红车不能离开四路线。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_23]??||应先平右再平左,则黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_24]诠正着法3[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_28]已和。下面着法仅供参考。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_54]已和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_54]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_24]?[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_27]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_8][FEN=9/3k5/b8/9/2r6/9/6P2/3p5/1R7/3K4C b - - 21 18]其它变招中红走炮五平一的局面,和。[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment4_8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_17]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_29]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_7]黑胜??[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_10]诠正着法5。暂作为和棋。||||各诠注本走车八平四或炮五平四。其它变招中也有炮五平一的招法,结果黑胜。||||||[FEN=9/3k5/b8/9/3r5/9/6P2/3p5/5R3/3K4C b - - 19 17]其它变招中红走炮五平一的局面1。[/FEN]||||||可能和棋。暂未找到黑取胜的着法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_38]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_25]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_13][FEN=9/3k5/b8/9/3r5/9/6P2/9/3p1R3/3K2C2 w - - 24 19]相同局面,黑胜。[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment8_13]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_10]导致以后红车移到右侧时,红炮不能升1利用车炮防黑卒。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_17]黑胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_33]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_11]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_4]主变着法,暂略。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_4]还未拆解,暂略。[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_4]
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chouzhouyu 发表于 2018-11-11 19:29
有多处诠正的地方,不再拆分,统一到一个棋谱中。

的确是和棋,呵呵。[DhtmlXQ]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1][FEN\u003D9/4k4/9/9/3R5/4r4/6P2/9/9/3K5 w - - 9 40]暂列该路主变,和[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4]误??||该变可能和棋。||||[FEN\u003D9/4k4/9/9/2b6/6P2/4r4/3R2C2/4p4/5K3 b - - 31 23]暂列该路和棋主变[/FEN]||||[FEN\u003D9/3k5/4b1P2/9/9/9/9/5R3/4p1r2/5KC2 w - - 38 26]白宏宽王首成12年版蕉竹斋该路黑胜着法,可能有误。[/FEN]||||||[FEN\u003D9/3k5/4b4/6P2/9/9/7r1/5R3/4p4/5KC2 w - - 36 25]暂列该路黑胜一路变化,替代白宏宽版本的黑胜着法[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9][FEN\u003D9/3k5/b8/9/3r5/9/6P2/9/3p1R3/3K2C2 w - - 24 19]相同局面[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18]诠正着法6[/DhtmlXQ_comment18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20]至此暂作和棋。||||黑车移左红炮长拦,移右红车居中将军后吃卒。||||黑若强变可能还是红优。形成残局为红车炮对黑车象,红帅居中。[/DhtmlXQ_comment20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_18]??||至此已黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_23]诠正着法4||||逼红退炮,再平左,这样红车炮不在一线,无法拦黑车。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_25]黑已胜。红车不能离开四路线。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_23]??||应先平右再平左,则黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_24]诠正着法3[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_28]已和。下面着法仅供参考。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_54]已和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_54]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_24]?[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_27]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_8][FEN\u003D9/3k5/b8/9/2r6/9/6P2/3p5/1R7/3K4C b - - 21 18]其它变招中红走炮五平一的局面,和。[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment4_8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_17]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_29]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_7]黑胜??[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_10]诠正着法5。暂作为和棋。||||各诠注本走车八平四或炮五平四。其它变招中也有炮五平一的招法,结果黑胜。||||||[FEN\u003D9/3k5/b8/9/3r5/9/6P2/3p5/5R3/3K4C b - - 19 17]其它变招中红走炮五平一的局面1。[/FEN]||||||可能和棋。暂未找到黑取胜的着法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_38]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_25]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_13][FEN\u003D9/3k5/b8/9/3r5/9/6P2/9/3p1R3/3K2C2 w - - 24 19]相同局面,黑胜。[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment8_13]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_10]导致以后红车移到右侧时,红炮不能升1利用车炮防黑卒。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_17]黑胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_33]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_11]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_4]主变着法,暂略。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_4]还未拆解,暂略。[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_4]
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发表于 2018-11-12 14:29:17 | 显示全部楼层
chouzhouyu 发表于 2018-11-11 19:29
有多处诠正的地方,不再拆分,统一到一个棋谱中。

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发表于 2018-11-12 15:59:28 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 dave7788 于 2018-11-12 16:30 编辑

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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]小征东变化多,还没有无错的版本,仅是错误多少的事。楼主的走法也有些漏洞,比如弈至如图局面时,楼主认为是和局,其实黑方接走车5平8,黑方可胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
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发表于 2018-11-12 16:25:51 | 显示全部楼层
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发表于 2018-11-12 16:51:24 | 显示全部楼层
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 楼主| 发表于 2018-11-12 18:05:58 | 显示全部楼层

看了一下我的原谱,还是作为黑胜的。只是各诠注本下着走车5平7,后面我诠正了一下着法。

车5平8比车5平7好,黑立胜了
发表于 2018-11-12 19:06:58 | 显示全部楼层
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[DhtmlXQ_comment5]还是黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5]
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 楼主| 发表于 2018-11-12 19:45:45 | 显示全部楼层
看了白老师的提出的一些观点,感觉有的很陌生,仔细核查才发现有的是其它变招中的。我暂未拆解,一楼发贴错误,原先是为了使大家看清棋谱的起先着法,先发脱帽部分的棋谱。拆解的那路变化在二楼中。一楼后面未删的部分是在棋库中查找后合并在一起的。
 楼主| 发表于 2018-11-12 19:59:26 | 显示全部楼层

二楼发的贴子中已有诠正着法。
 楼主| 发表于 2018-11-12 20:07:29 | 显示全部楼层
白老师7楼提出的招法如果是黑胜的话,那么该路变化还是黑胜。
 楼主| 发表于 2018-11-12 20:14:37 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 chouzhouyu 于 2018-11-12 20:16 编辑


白老师提出的见解经拆解确为黑胜。那么该路变化最后黑胜还是成立的。
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1]发贴后白宏宽提出走该着认为黑胜。待拆。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2]不走该着只能动车或炮走闲。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_1]原先诠注本中的着法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_4]诠正着法6[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_6]至此暂作和棋。||||黑车移左红炮长拦,移右红车居中将军后吃卒。||||黑若强变可能还是红优。形成残局为红车炮对黑车象,红帅居中。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_6]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_4]??||至此已黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_7]黑已胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_9]诠正着法4||||逼红退炮,再平左,这样红车炮不在一线,无法拦黑车。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_11]黑已胜。红车不能离开四路线。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_9]??||应先平右再平左,则黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_10]诠正着法3[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_14]已和。下面着法仅供参考。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_40]已和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_10]?[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_13]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_13]
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 楼主| 发表于 2018-11-12 21:19:44 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 chouzhouyu 于 2018-11-12 21:21 编辑

该路变化暂时以白老师7楼提出的应招作为黑胜主变。

刚刚又打谱脱帽之后黑车5退5的变化,可能又有一些问题,另发贴,欢迎继续讨论。
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