一则传统江湖小局的再探讨

sdndsx · 发表于 2016-1-6 09:33:04

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sdndsx · 发表于 2016-1-6 09:42:06

本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2016-1-6 15:14 编辑

问：你想再探讨什么？
答：开头黑方的精确棋步是什么？
问：还有吗？
答：还有。
1 可以改进成红黑倒置吗？
2 可以改变黑卒的位置吗？
问：你尝试过吗？
答：我尝试过。
问：您贴出来啊？
答：不管对与错，我都会贴出的。我想先学习老师们的建议。

sdndsx · 发表于 2016-1-6 09:47:59

本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2016-1-6 09:50 编辑

先贴出一则我的红黑倒置的尝试局面吧。
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sdndsx · 发表于 2016-1-6 15:03:48

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sdndsx · 发表于 2016-1-6 16:08:27

6个多小时，没有老师跟帖。学生我是急性子，还是先交作业吧。敬请老师批阅。谢谢！

以4楼为基础（应该是最新资料）吧。

sdndsx · 发表于 2016-1-6 16:25:50

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sdndsx · 发表于 2016-1-6 16:29:35

再贴一则红黑倒置的尝试吧。
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sdndsx · 发表于 2016-1-6 16:33:22

本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2016-1-6 16:38 编辑

可以改变黑卒的位置吗？

我先贴一个棋图（能不能成立，不敢确定）：

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2016-1-6 16:36:23

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sdndsx · 发表于 2016-1-6 16:42:38

本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2016-1-6 16:45 编辑

站在盲解者的角度，还有更离谱的。

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sdndsx · 发表于 2016-1-6 16:49:58

聨吟客发表于 2016-1-6 16:36

谢谢您！

老师您是快速跟帖。10楼并不是针对您的！请您多加原谅。

聨吟客 · 发表于 2016-1-6 16:51:42

我的解法

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2016-1-6 16:56:30

sdndsx 发表于 2016-1-6 16:49
谢谢您！

老师您是快速跟帖。10楼并不是针对您的！请您多加原谅。

嗯,了解^^ 呵呵呵呵呵呵呵...............

sdndsx · 发表于 2016-1-6 16:59:21

本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2016-1-6 17:12 编辑

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2016-1-6 17:02:32

時老師客氣了, 大家互相學習

sdndsx · 发表于 2016-1-6 17:09:24

聨吟客发表于 2016-1-6 17:02
時老師客氣了, 大家互相學習

谢谢您！很是希望您对学生我的帖子严格把关啊！这是对学生我的最大帮助！

yjr123 · 发表于 2016-1-7 10:46:04

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yjr123 · 发表于 2016-1-7 11:10:55

sdndsx 发表于 2016-1-6 16:29
再贴一则红黑倒置的尝试吧。

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2016-1-7 14:37:38

喔!! 感謝余兄

,既有的棋譜都沒有我那個變化嗎? 那真是大出乎我意料之外啊~~ 呵呵呵.....

聨吟客 · 发表于 2016-1-7 14:45:41

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2016-1-7 15:06:50

我覺得8樓的局不錯

sdndsx · 发表于 2016-1-7 16:55:00

yjr123 发表于 2016-1-7 10:46
盲解:

谢谢您！

您的着法很精彩！针对这局棋来说，是创新啊！

学生我很赞同！

学生我发此贴，重在抛砖引玉。老师们的创新着法不断出现！这正是学生我之所盼！谢谢！谢谢！

sdndsx · 发表于 2016-1-7 17:00:27

yjr123 发表于 2016-1-7 11:10

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sdndsx · 发表于 2016-1-7 17:02:18

本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2016-1-7 17:14 编辑

聨吟客发表于 2016-1-7 14:45

谢谢您的精彩改局！

sdndsx · 发表于 2016-1-7 17:05:58

聨吟客发表于 2016-1-7 15:06
我覺得8樓的局不錯

谢谢您对8楼的关注！

8楼假如成立的话，会引起一连串的连锁反应。

杨启忠 · 发表于 2016-1-7 17:12:40

23#，末尾黑退将可胜

sdndsx · 发表于 2016-1-7 17:13:38

各位老师的跟帖中的创新着法，学生我喜出望外！没想到这局棋的开头这么丰富多彩！

学生我使用了离谱的词语。并不是说：错得离谱，而是想说：脱离了棋谱（盲解）。无意冒犯，请多加包涵！

sdndsx · 发表于 2016-1-7 17:21:13

杨启忠发表于 2016-1-7 17:12
23#，末尾黑退将可胜

谢谢您！

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杨启忠 · 发表于 2016-1-7 17:44:17

sdndsx 发表于 2016-1-7 17:21
谢谢您！

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