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标题: 一则传统江湖小局的再探讨 [打印本页]
作者: sdndsx    时间: 2016-1-6 09:33
标题: 一则传统江湖小局的再探讨
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作者: sdndsx    时间: 2016-1-6 09:42
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2016-1-6 15:14 编辑

问：你想再探讨什么？
答：开头黑方的精确棋步是什么？
问：还有吗？
答：还有。
    1 可以改进成红黑倒置吗？
    2 可以改变黑卒的位置吗？
问：你尝试过吗？
答：我尝试过。
问：您贴出来啊？
答：不管对与错，我都会贴出的。我想先学习老师们的建议。
作者: sdndsx    时间: 2016-1-6 09:47
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2016-1-6 09:50 编辑

先贴出一则我的红黑倒置的尝试局面吧。
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作者: sdndsx    时间: 2016-1-6 15:03
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作者: sdndsx    时间: 2016-1-6 16:08
6个多小时，没有老师跟帖。学生我是急性子，还是先交作业吧。敬请老师批阅。谢谢！

以4楼为基础（应该是最新资料）吧。
作者: sdndsx    时间: 2016-1-6 16:25
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作者: sdndsx    时间: 2016-1-6 16:29
再贴一则红黑倒置的尝试吧。
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作者: sdndsx    时间: 2016-1-6 16:33
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2016-1-6 16:38 编辑

可以改变黑卒的位置吗？

我先贴一个棋图（能不能成立，不敢确定）：

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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2016-1-6 16:36
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作者: sdndsx    时间: 2016-1-6 16:42
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2016-1-6 16:45 编辑

站在盲解者的角度，还有更离谱的。

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作者: sdndsx    时间: 2016-1-6 16:49
聨吟客 发表于 2016-1-6 16:36

谢谢您！

老师您是快速跟帖。10楼并不是针对您的！请您多加原谅。
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2016-1-6 16:51
我的解法
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2016-1-6 16:56
sdndsx 发表于 2016-1-6 16:49
谢谢您！

老师您是快速跟帖。10楼并不是针对您的！请您多加原谅。

嗯,了解^^ 呵呵呵呵呵呵呵...............
作者: sdndsx    时间: 2016-1-6 16:59
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2016-1-6 17:12 编辑

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[DhtmlXQ_sortid]8570230[/DhtmlXQ_sortid]
[DhtmlXQ_owner]667[/DhtmlXQ_owner]
[DhtmlXQ_oldowner]667[/DhtmlXQ_oldowner]
[DhtmlXQ_comment0]||棋艺2014年第八期封面棋局[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_25] 紅勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_25]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment6_5]!![/DhtmlXQ_comment6_5]
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[DhtmlXQ_move_0_7_7]4342263638483646[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_7_7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10]老师：您给出了新的着法。||||学生我水平所限，错误在所难免。||||就棋论棋，学生我之渴盼！||||不怕学生我错的离谱，就怕没人答理我！[/DhtmlXQ_comment10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4]是否應這樣||||我的即兴感觉：||如果对了，是您对此局的一大贡献！[/DhtmlXQ_comment4]
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2016-1-6 17:02
時老師客氣了, 大家互相學習
作者: sdndsx    时间: 2016-1-6 17:09
聨吟客 发表于 2016-1-6 17:02
時老師客氣了, 大家互相學習

谢谢您！很是希望您对学生我的帖子严格把关啊！这是对学生我的最大帮助！
作者: yjr123    时间: 2016-1-7 10:46
盲解:
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[DhtmlXQ_type]全局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_result]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_result]
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[DhtmlXQ_sortid]8570230[/DhtmlXQ_sortid]
[DhtmlXQ_owner]667[/DhtmlXQ_owner]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]||棋艺2014年第八期封面棋局[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_25] 紅勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_4]\u003F[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_5]!![/DhtmlXQ_comment6_5]
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[DhtmlXQ_move_1_7_7]4342263638483646[/DhtmlXQ_move_1_7_7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_10]老师：您给出了新的着法。||||学生我水平所限，错误在所难免。||||就棋论棋，学生我之渴盼！||||不怕学生我错的离谱，就怕没人答理我！[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_4]是否應這樣||||我的即兴感觉：||如果对了，是您对此局的一大贡献！[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_4]
[DhtmlXQ_refer]http%3A//www.hgchess.com/%0D%0Ahttp%3A//www.hgchess.com/bbs/forum.php%3Fmod%3Dviewthread%26tid%3D35080%26extra%3Dpage%253D1[/DhtmlXQ_refer]
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作者: yjr123    时间: 2016-1-7 11:10
sdndsx 发表于 2016-1-6 16:29
再贴一则红黑倒置的尝试吧。

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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2016-1-7 14:37
喔!! 感謝余兄,既有的棋譜都沒有我那個變化嗎? 那真是大出乎我意料之外啊~~ 呵呵呵.....
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2016-1-7 14:45
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2016-1-7 15:06
我覺得8樓的局 不錯
作者: sdndsx    时间: 2016-1-7 16:55
yjr123 发表于 2016-1-7 10:46
盲解:

谢谢您！

您的着法很精彩！针对这局棋来说，是创新啊！

学生我很赞同！

学生我发此贴，重在抛砖引玉。老师们的创新着法不断出现！这正是学生我之所盼！谢谢！谢谢！
作者: sdndsx    时间: 2016-1-7 17:00
yjr123 发表于 2016-1-7 11:10

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[DhtmlXQ_comment4]黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13]续上几步。请老师您批阅学生我的作业。[/DhtmlXQ_comment13]
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作者: sdndsx    时间: 2016-1-7 17:02
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2016-1-7 17:14 编辑
聨吟客 发表于 2016-1-7 14:45


谢谢您的精彩改局！
作者: sdndsx    时间: 2016-1-7 17:05
聨吟客 发表于 2016-1-7 15:06
我覺得8樓的局 不錯

谢谢您对8楼的关注！

8楼假如成立的话，会引起一连串的连锁反应。
作者: 杨启忠    时间: 2016-1-7 17:12
23#，末尾黑退将可胜
作者: sdndsx    时间: 2016-1-7 17:13
各位老师的跟帖中的创新着法，学生我喜出望外！没想到这局棋的开头这么丰富多彩！

学生我使用了 离谱 的词语。并不是说：错得离谱，而是想说：脱离了棋谱（盲解）。无意冒犯，请多加包涵！
作者: sdndsx    时间: 2016-1-7 17:21
杨启忠 发表于 2016-1-7 17:12
23#，末尾黑退将可胜

谢谢您！

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[DhtmlXQ_comment4]黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13]续上几步。请老师您批阅学生我的作业。[/DhtmlXQ_comment13]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15]学生我再续上1个回合，请老师批改。谢谢！[/DhtmlXQ_comment15]
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作者: 杨启忠    时间: 2016-1-7 17:44
sdndsx 发表于 2016-1-7 17:21
谢谢您！

供时老师参考:

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[DhtmlXQ_comment4]黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13]续上几步。请老师您批阅学生我的作业。[/DhtmlXQ_comment13]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15]学生我再续上1个回合，请老师批改。谢谢！[/DhtmlXQ_comment15]
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2016-1-7 17:51
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[DhtmlXQ_comment4]黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13]续上几步。请老师您批阅学生我的作业。[/DhtmlXQ_comment13]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20]||黑勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment20][DhtmlXQ_comment14]直接進攻即可[/DhtmlXQ_comment14]
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作者: sdndsx    时间: 2016-1-8 07:50
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2016-1-8 08:06 编辑
杨启忠 发表于 2016-1-7 17:44
供时老师参考:


谢谢您！非常正确！

学生我老是觉得：
1 意义重大！
2 是不是应该对最新棋谱（6楼）验证一下啊。
3 不管对与错，yjr123 老师 就是提供了继续商榷的空间！
作者: sdndsx    时间: 2016-1-8 08:02
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2016-1-8 08:08 编辑
聨吟客 发表于 2016-1-7 17:51


谢谢您！

您是首位商榷的老师（9楼）。

yjr123 老师 的观点，学生我觉得：

1 需要对最新棋谱（6楼）继续验证。
2 通过探讨确认正确着法，为改进和提高此局的最基本的依据。
作者: sdndsx    时间: 2016-1-8 08:17
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2016-1-8 08:19 编辑

学生我经常胡思乱想，现在老毛病又发作了。

学生我的胡思乱想如下：
能不能把下面的两个局面，进行对比探讨啊！

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作者: sdndsx    时间: 2016-1-8 08:24
没有老师们的点拨，学生我糊涂；有了老师们的点拨，学生我获益！
作者: sdndsx    时间: 2016-1-9 09:33
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2016-1-9 09:35 编辑

??????

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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2016-1-9 09:54
本帖最后由 聨吟客 于 2016-1-10 09:17 编辑

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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_5]給黑倖和機會[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_5]
[DhtmlXQ_move_1_6_2]185843423039493958593938263638483646[/DhtmlXQ_move_1_6_2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_8]可和[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_8]
[DhtmlXQ_move_1_8_3]1959[/DhtmlXQ_move_1_8_3]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_8]可和[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_4]\u003F[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_4]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_4_5]1959[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_4_5]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_4_4]19184847[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_4_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4] 可和[/DhtmlXQ_comment4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_4]可和[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_4]
[DhtmlXQ_move_2_10_6]26363949364641515040424140305150[/DhtmlXQ_move_2_10_6][DhtmlXQ_comment2_14]可和[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_14][DhtmlXQ_comment6_10]劣[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_10]
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作者: yjr123    时间: 2016-1-9 10:11
sdndsx 发表于 2016-1-8 08:02
谢谢您！

您是首位商榷的老师（9楼）。

前面这么多帖子不是对6楼着法的讨论？现在已经几乎把所有变化都列出来了。
作者: sdndsx    时间: 2016-1-9 17:44
谢谢 36、37楼 两位老师的跟帖！35楼的帖子，学生我连打了不少问号，原意是：验证一下6楼的最新棋谱的最后着法的结论正确与否。都怪学生我表达能力太差了。

1——8楼都是学生我的帖子。9楼 联吟客 老师，确实是首位跟帖者。

YJR123 老师的创新着法，学生我很赞同！

此主题帖能够引出老师们的高见，学生我真的是大喜过望！真诚感谢华工网所有在本主题帖跟帖的老师们！



作者: sdndsx    时间: 2016-1-10 09:02
各位老师：您的跟帖发掘了新的着法，我觉得（对与不对，不敢确定）引起了下半段的微妙变化！

先将6楼（是基础）和新变化作对比，再进行归纳小结。
作者: sdndsx    时间: 2016-1-10 09:07
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2016-1-10 09:09 编辑

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[DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init]
[DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999949999999999999999943424110999999509999993099992699999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
[DhtmlXQ_pver]130606[/DhtmlXQ_pver]
[DhtmlXQ_adddate]2014-9-23 0:14:54[/DhtmlXQ_adddate]
[DhtmlXQ_editdate]2014-11-5 13:09:56[/DhtmlXQ_editdate]
[DhtmlXQ_title]送京娘[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_movelist]4252101949481918484918584342303141312636424136463130[/DhtmlXQ_movelist]
[DhtmlXQ_move_3_19_1]5251595141515051[/DhtmlXQ_move_3_19_1]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_8_3]30394939585939382636384836464838463638483646413159694858696858596861424146565251615141515051[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_8_3][DhtmlXQ_move_0_8_2]3000415150404241403041403031514131325242[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_8_2]
[DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum]
[DhtmlXQ_length]56[/DhtmlXQ_length]
[DhtmlXQ_type]全局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_result]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_hits]764[/DhtmlXQ_hits]
[DhtmlXQ_sortid]8570230[/DhtmlXQ_sortid]
[DhtmlXQ_owner]667[/DhtmlXQ_owner]
[DhtmlXQ_oldowner]667[/DhtmlXQ_oldowner]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7]伏杀！[/DhtmlXQ_comment7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_8]弃车妙手！如黑[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_30]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_22]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_17]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment13]
[DhtmlXQ_comment0]||棋艺2014年第八期封面棋局[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_12_4]5852414050513141[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_12_4][DhtmlXQ_comment8]6楼原谱此时献车。红胜。是劣变。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8]
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2016-1-10 09:13
sdndsx 发表于 2016-1-10 09:07

第3回合進帥紅勝
作者: sdndsx    时间: 2016-1-10 09:15
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2016-1-10 09:21 编辑

[DhtmlXQ]
[DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver]
[DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init]
[DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999949999999999999999943424110999999509999993099992699999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
[DhtmlXQ_pver]130606[/DhtmlXQ_pver]
[DhtmlXQ_adddate]2014-9-23 0:14:54[/DhtmlXQ_adddate]
[DhtmlXQ_editdate]2014-11-5 13:09:56[/DhtmlXQ_editdate]
[DhtmlXQ_title]送京娘[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_movelist]425210194948195943423038484738314131263631413646474859555251555141515051[/DhtmlXQ_movelist]
[DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum]
[DhtmlXQ_length]56[/DhtmlXQ_length]
[DhtmlXQ_type]全局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_result]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_hits]764[/DhtmlXQ_hits]
[DhtmlXQ_sortid]8570230[/DhtmlXQ_sortid]
[DhtmlXQ_owner]667[/DhtmlXQ_owner]
[DhtmlXQ_oldowner]667[/DhtmlXQ_oldowner]
[DhtmlXQ_comment0]||棋艺2014年第八期封面棋局[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_25] 紅勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_4]\u003F[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_5]!![/DhtmlXQ_comment6_5]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_4_1]30384838195952625969625269614342263638483646[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_4_1]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_4_6]1918484718584342303747372636374736464737585737384636384836464151504042414030515046474849[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_4_6]
[DhtmlXQ_move_1_7_7]4342263638483646[/DhtmlXQ_move_1_7_7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_10]老师：您给出了新的着法。||||学生我水平所限，错误在所难免。||||就棋论棋，学生我之渴盼！||||不怕学生我错的离谱，就怕没人答理我！[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_4]是否應這樣||||我的即兴感觉：||如果对了，是您对此局的一大贡献！[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7]？？[/DhtmlXQ_comment7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8]YJR123 老师 的新变着法！精彩！||||杨启忠 老师赞同。我也赞同！[/DhtmlXQ_comment8]
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作者: sdndsx    时间: 2016-1-10 09:19
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2016-1-10 18:20 编辑

为了方便对比，特将40楼和42楼的两个局面（轮到红方走棋）的棋图贴于下面：

40楼：
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[DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver]
[DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init]
[DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999949999999999999999942524158999999509999993199992699999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
[DhtmlXQ_pver]130606[/DhtmlXQ_pver]
[DhtmlXQ_adddate]2014-9-23 0:14:54[/DhtmlXQ_adddate]
[DhtmlXQ_editdate]2014-11-5 13:09:56[/DhtmlXQ_editdate]
[DhtmlXQ_title]送京娘[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum]
[DhtmlXQ_length]56[/DhtmlXQ_length]
[DhtmlXQ_type]全局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_result]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_hits]764[/DhtmlXQ_hits]
[DhtmlXQ_sortid]8570230[/DhtmlXQ_sortid]
[DhtmlXQ_owner]667[/DhtmlXQ_owner]
[DhtmlXQ_oldowner]667[/DhtmlXQ_oldowner]
[DhtmlXQ_movelist][/DhtmlXQ_movelist]
[DhtmlXQ_comment0]红胜局面（40楼）[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
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42楼：
[DhtmlXQ]
[DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver]
[DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init]
[DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999947999999999999999942524159999999509999993199992699999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
[DhtmlXQ_pver]130606[/DhtmlXQ_pver]
[DhtmlXQ_adddate]2014-9-23 0:14:54[/DhtmlXQ_adddate]
[DhtmlXQ_editdate]2014-11-5 13:09:56[/DhtmlXQ_editdate]
[DhtmlXQ_title]送京娘[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum]
[DhtmlXQ_length]56[/DhtmlXQ_length]
[DhtmlXQ_type]全局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_result]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_hits]764[/DhtmlXQ_hits]
[DhtmlXQ_sortid]8570230[/DhtmlXQ_sortid]
[DhtmlXQ_owner]667[/DhtmlXQ_owner]
[DhtmlXQ_oldowner]667[/DhtmlXQ_oldowner]
[DhtmlXQ_movelist][/DhtmlXQ_movelist][DhtmlXQ_comment0]和棋局面（42楼）[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_refer]http%3A//www.hgchess.com/%0D%0Ahttp%3A//www.hgchess.com/bbs/forum.php%3Fmod%3Dviewthread%26tid%3D35080%26page%3D2%26extra%3D%23pid264171[/DhtmlXQ_refer]
[DhtmlXQ_generator]www.dpxq.com[/DhtmlXQ_generator]
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2016-1-10 09:20
36樓剛剛已修訂加上40樓變化
作者: sdndsx    时间: 2016-1-10 09:31
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2016-1-10 18:04 编辑

老师们发掘的新变化，引来后半段的微妙局面。有3种局面（轮到黑方走棋）可对比；

局面1：
[DhtmlXQ]
[DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver]
[DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init]
[DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999938999999999999999942524159999999509999999999992699999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
[DhtmlXQ_pver]130606[/DhtmlXQ_pver]
[DhtmlXQ_adddate]2014-9-23 0:14:54[/DhtmlXQ_adddate]
[DhtmlXQ_editdate]2014-11-5 13:09:56[/DhtmlXQ_editdate]
[DhtmlXQ_title]送京娘[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum]
[DhtmlXQ_length]56[/DhtmlXQ_length]
[DhtmlXQ_type]全局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_result]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_hits]764[/DhtmlXQ_hits]
[DhtmlXQ_sortid]8570230[/DhtmlXQ_sortid]
[DhtmlXQ_owner]667[/DhtmlXQ_owner]
[DhtmlXQ_oldowner]667[/DhtmlXQ_oldowner]
[DhtmlXQ_movelist]2636384836465251595141515051[/DhtmlXQ_movelist]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment7]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_4_1]4151504042414030515046474847594947574941[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_4_1][DhtmlXQ_comment1_13]黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_13]
[DhtmlXQ_move_1_8_2]524246474847594947574942[/DhtmlXQ_move_1_8_2][DhtmlXQ_comment2_13]黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_13][DhtmlXQ_comment4]！！[/DhtmlXQ_comment4]
[DhtmlXQ_refer]http%3A//www.hgchess.com/%0D%0Ahttp%3A//www.hgchess.com/bbs/forum.php%3Fmod%3Dviewthread%26tid%3D35080%26page%3D2%23lastpost[/DhtmlXQ_refer]
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局面2：
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[DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver]
[DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init]
[DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999939999999999999999942524158999999509999999999992699999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
[DhtmlXQ_pver]130606[/DhtmlXQ_pver]
[DhtmlXQ_adddate]2014-9-23 0:14:54[/DhtmlXQ_adddate]
[DhtmlXQ_editdate]2014-11-5 13:09:56[/DhtmlXQ_editdate]
[DhtmlXQ_title]送京娘[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum]
[DhtmlXQ_length]56[/DhtmlXQ_length]
[DhtmlXQ_type]全局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_result]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_hits]764[/DhtmlXQ_hits]
[DhtmlXQ_sortid]8570230[/DhtmlXQ_sortid]
[DhtmlXQ_owner]667[/DhtmlXQ_owner]
[DhtmlXQ_oldowner]667[/DhtmlXQ_oldowner]
[DhtmlXQ_movelist]585939382636384836465251595141515051[/DhtmlXQ_movelist]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment9][DhtmlXQ_comment1]！！[/DhtmlXQ_comment1]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_1]26363949364641515040424140305150[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_1][DhtmlXQ_comment1_8]红胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_8][DhtmlXQ_comment1_1]？？[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_1][DhtmlXQ_comment1_4]！！[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_4]
[DhtmlXQ_refer]http%3A//www.hgchess.com/%0D%0Ahttp%3A//www.hgchess.com/bbs/forum.php%3Fmod%3Dviewthread%26tid%3D35080%26page%3D2%26extra%3D%23pid264171[/DhtmlXQ_refer]
[DhtmlXQ_generator]www.dpxq.com[/DhtmlXQ_generator]
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局面3：
[DhtmlXQ]
[DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver]
[DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init]
[DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999937999999999999999942524158999999509999999999992699999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
[DhtmlXQ_pver]130606[/DhtmlXQ_pver]
[DhtmlXQ_adddate]2014-9-23 0:14:54[/DhtmlXQ_adddate]
[DhtmlXQ_editdate]2014-11-5 13:09:56[/DhtmlXQ_editdate]
[DhtmlXQ_title]送京娘[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum]
[DhtmlXQ_length]56[/DhtmlXQ_length]
[DhtmlXQ_type]全局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_result]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_hits]764[/DhtmlXQ_hits]
[DhtmlXQ_sortid]8570230[/DhtmlXQ_sortid]
[DhtmlXQ_owner]667[/DhtmlXQ_owner]
[DhtmlXQ_oldowner]667[/DhtmlXQ_oldowner]
[DhtmlXQ_movelist]5857373826363848364641515040424140305150[/DhtmlXQ_movelist]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_9]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_6]？？[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_6]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_6_1]5251575141515051[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_6_1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10]红胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6]！！[/DhtmlXQ_comment6]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_2]263637473646473758573738463638483646[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_2][DhtmlXQ_comment2_9]殊途同归[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_9]
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作者: sdndsx    时间: 2016-1-10 10:01
聨吟客 发表于 2016-1-10 09:20
36樓剛剛已修訂加上40樓變化

谢谢您！

我想先把可对比的局面贴出来，再对老师们的新变，归纳到一个棋图里边。

还有一个疑问：

红方速胜速和，黑方迟负迟和，作为主变没有问题。

但如果修改成红黑倒置的局面，主变着法是否要作变化呢？



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