关于天宇浪人<泥马渡康王>局的商榷

愤怒的小炜

之前承蒙天宇浪人兄赠送<残排杂感>及<炮兵专集>两书,对于<残排杂感>中的<泥马渡康王>局经最近几个月的研究,认为可以成和.当然对于陆兄赠的两书阅后真是受益非浅.但之后一直没机会向陆兄表感谢.故将自己对<泥马渡康王>局的研究帖出,一方面表示自己的谢意,一方面也请各位棋友指点,毕竟自己的研究是闭门造车,难免其中有不妥之处,还望大家的指正的. 天宇浪人兄以前的帖子我也找出,是残排杂感13

chouzhouyu

2、车7退7，3、前兵平二。最后红三兵可否连在一起。

chouzhouyu

车7退7吃兵感觉是很好的棋，红的兵好象要全部被消灭，单车胜马双士了。

桑莫喜

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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_12]到此为止,与陆兄所拟着法一样.的确现在局面粗看红方能动的子只有后兵,因此在红进三兵后,被黑方通过连续的顿挫,将红兵各个击破.但在通过仔细的观察发现黑象正好阻挡了黑车在河口的通道,而红正好可以利用这点而曲径通幽般的成和.[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_13]不易被发现的着法,一般不会去考虑主动将联手的兵拆开.原着法红的求和是基于用三路兵去下底.而这步的思路是先做好两兵的右边联手准备,然后在用三路后兵下去.这点大家可以参照原着法慢慢体会.[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_13]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_14]还有车8进1的变化,但和的更干脆[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_15]此两兵先铺道,为三路兵下底做准备.[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_23]这里必须上左士,因为现在红三个兵还未成定势和棋.上右士则输.[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_28]禁止红兵下底,最顽强的下法.[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_29]关键的一路兵.此兵是掩护红三个低兵的走成定势的关键.[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_39]红有中兵挡着正好能和.[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_29]红兵下底,和/[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_16]多捉步和直接平车比红和的更简单.[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_21]成功下成定势和棋.[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_29]和.[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_29]成马双士双兵守和单车的局面.[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_29]
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chouzhouyu

先回复上提待研究 。

邢春波

沉默 发表于 2012-5-16 16:30
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[DhtmlXQ_comment7_17]红胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_17]
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沉默

邢春波 发表于 2012-5-10 19:58
结尾是例胜残局，3回合红走兵三平四的结论应是黑胜

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shpthg322

呵呵，楼上也发了乱码，我i以为就我一个呢~~ 单车必胜马双士是残局定式，不过回合不少的！先破单士。

桑莫喜

:'(:'(:'(

邢春波

shpthg322 发表于 2012-5-8 15:32
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结尾是例胜残局，3回合红走兵三平四的结论应是黑胜

shpthg322

邢春波 发表于 2012-5-7 18:36

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邢春波

shpthg322 发表于 2012-5-7 14:01
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shpthg322

邢春波 发表于 2012-5-6 12:49

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邢春波

shpthg322 发表于 2012-5-2 10:49
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愤怒的小炜

shpthg322 发表于 2012-5-5 13:36
46楼，第四回合黑方象9进7之后，红方可走兵二平三，和定！39楼已回复！

参见41楼的招法,黑车9退5吃死卒后,红二三路的联兵走不和,可参见前面的帖子.

shpthg322

46楼，第四回合黑方象9进7之后，红方可走兵二平三，和定！39楼已回复！

邢春波

沉默 发表于 2012-4-28 22:20
第六回合前兵平三，和定

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愤怒的小炜

shpthg322 发表于 2012-5-4 14:28
不必钻牛角尖，沉默童鞋！一盘残棋，10个象棋爱好者，可能会想出10种不同的走法，太正常了！当然，正着、裂 ...

所言甚是,其实此局我一开始也是按照陆兄的着法,从第6回合开始的诠证的.沉默棋友的第3回合提出的着法的确有其独到之处,也许按沉默兄所列也是成和局,只是有些变化还未做详尽演变,正着与裂着之间还处于混淆的关系,本想继续研究拆解,但一我最近比较的繁忙,二也由于我精力和水平有限.故未能完成,因此后来发的一些着法也只是粗略的模拟,其中错误在所难免.如有棋友能有兴趣当不妨一试.继续将这局<泥马>完善.

shpthg322

不必钻牛角尖，沉默童鞋！一盘残棋，10个象棋爱好者，可能会想出10种不同的走法，太正常了！当然，正着、裂变的走法都是可能的。

沉默

愤怒的小炜 发表于 2012-5-3 19:59
前兵平二可能能和.

第三回合为何进兵？

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沉默 发表于 2012-5-3 16:01
看来第三回合兵三平四前兵平二都是正变，大师们的兵二进一是裂变

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前兵平二可能能和.

沉默

看来第三回合兵三平四前兵平二都是正变，大师们的兵二进一是裂变

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邢春波 发表于 2012-4-28 20:49

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36楼，后兵平三明显是软着！改走前兵平三可继续跟黑方抗衡！说黑胜还为时尚早！

沉默

邢春波 发表于 2012-4-28 20:49

第六回合前兵平三，和定

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沉默 发表于 2012-4-27 22:20
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沉默

没人回

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