关于天宇浪人<泥马渡康王>局的商榷

愤怒的小炜

之前承蒙天宇浪人兄赠送<残排杂感>及<炮兵专集>两书,对于<残排杂感>中的<泥马渡康王>局经最近几个月的研究,认为可以成和.当然对于陆兄赠的两书阅后真是受益非浅.但之后一直没机会向陆兄表感谢.故将自己对<泥马渡康王>局的研究帖出,一方面表示自己的谢意,一方面也请各位棋友指点,毕竟自己的研究是闭门造车,难免其中有不妥之处,还望大家的指正的. 天宇浪人兄以前的帖子我也找出,是残排杂感13

愤怒的小炜

首先先声明下,此局的前面6回合是按照陆兄的拟定来推演的.故如有发现前6回合黑方有其他着法可以胜棋的,则此局又要经过再次诠证了. 下面两图是我认为官和的局面.而我的着法也是以下面两图为基本所推演的.[DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_title]NoName[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9948993949599999999999718199709944999999424182999999999999999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [/DhtmlXQ] 上图,三个兵如此联手,也即陆兄所说的铃铛兵.是和 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_title]NoName[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9937995938489999999999999999716199999999325282992999999999999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]61518264516129213839[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_comment0]红有两兵和马双士也和.黑车禁马帅则动兵,禁兵则动帅,黑无法胜.[/DhtmlXQ_comment0] [/DhtmlXQ]

愤怒的小炜

现在将我研究的着法贴出,当然需要说明的是,为了使局面尽可能的简洁.我并未将陆兄所拟的黑胜法所罗列.也未将自己所研究的红走劣着致负的变着所罗列.棋友如有需要,可以自己复制一楼的网址做对比. [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_title]泥马渡康王[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_result]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999875949399948999978406184728562699999425282999999999999999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]7868626887696869727152418483826483736979736379747181648261717434636234386261423248363836394836264839264639484666858432428483660649390609393809033839038371708333394933034939030939380900617100403839[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_26_1]2629594832427170[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_26_1] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_16_2]74646373643473723438717042324836383659483676727132424959[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_16_2] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_14_3]7475858475856353858453434232817184834829834339484323293723274939[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_14_3] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_13_4]6362648240504150625242524829[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_13_4] [DhtmlXQ_move_4_18_5]4241[/DhtmlXQ_move_4_18_5] [DhtmlXQ_comment12]到此为止,与陆兄所拟着法一样.的确现在局面粗看红方能动的子只有后兵,因此在红进三兵后,被黑方通过连续的顿挫,将红兵各个击破.但在通过仔细的观察发现黑象正好阻挡了黑车在河口的通道,而红正好可以利用这点而曲径通幽般的成和.[/DhtmlXQ_comment12] [DhtmlXQ_comment13]不易被发现的着法,一般不会去考虑主动将联手的兵拆开.原着法红的求和是基于用三路兵去下底.而这步的思路是先做好两兵的右边联手准备,然后在用三路后兵下去.这点大家可以参照原着法慢慢体会.[/DhtmlXQ_comment13] [DhtmlXQ_comment14]还有车8进1的变化,但和的更干脆[/DhtmlXQ_comment14] [DhtmlXQ_comment15]此两兵先铺道,为三路兵下底做准备.[/DhtmlXQ_comment15] [DhtmlXQ_comment23]这里必须上左士,因为现在红三个兵还未成定势和棋.上右士则输.[/DhtmlXQ_comment23] [DhtmlXQ_comment28]禁止红兵下底,最顽强的下法.[/DhtmlXQ_comment28] [DhtmlXQ_comment29]关键的一路兵.此兵是掩护红三个低兵的走成定势的关键.[/DhtmlXQ_comment29] [DhtmlXQ_comment39]红有中兵挡着正好能和.[/DhtmlXQ_comment39] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_29]红兵下底,和/[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_29] [DhtmlXQ_comment2_16]多捉步和直接平车比红和的更简单.[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_16] [DhtmlXQ_comment2_21]成功下成定势和棋.[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_21] [DhtmlXQ_comment2_29]和.[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_29] [DhtmlXQ_comment3_29]成马双士双兵守和单车的局面.[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_29] [/DhtmlXQ] 请大家指正.

hzsjy

２楼１图可能和不了！ 黑车压马头，再将平４再车平４．破士后红难守和（没有拆过，凭感觉．）！

愤怒的小炜

[quote]２楼１图可能和不了！ 黑车压马头，再将平４再车平４．破士后红难守和（没有拆过，凭感觉．）！ 黑车平4红可马5进6献的

hzsjy

献了马后黑是车对红双士(红三低兵已是无作用了!)必胜的局面!

愤怒的小炜

[quote]献了马后黑是车对红双士(红三低兵已是无作用了!)必胜的局面! 红三低兵如能走成2楼图1形式,则必和.这点陆兄所诠证的黑胜局里黑方就是要防止红形成如此局面.因红只要有一个兵能走闲,黑车就破不了红士

hzsjy

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hzsjy

嗯： 楼上第３着有误．黑难胜！

一招惊心

细腻 好棋，容我细细体会！

天宇浪人

非常感谢小炜的有益讨论！我刚下班，还未细看，抽空一定细细排演。 我想，不管此局最后的结论如何，这样的深入探讨还是十分有意思和有意义的。因为此局已被首成兄收入《江湖排局精解》。

聨吟客

黑第5回合車7平9還有變化,這樣可先消滅未過河兵與中底兵,紅能不能和呢?
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[DhtmlXQ_comment6_12]到此为止,与陆兄所拟着法一样.的确现在局面粗看红方能动的子只有后兵,因此在红进三兵后,被黑方通过连续的顿挫,将红兵各个击破.但在通过仔细的观察发现黑象正好阻挡了黑车在河口的通道,而红正好可以利用这点而曲径通幽般的成和.[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_13]不易被发现的着法,一般不会去考虑主动将联手的兵拆开.原着法红的求和是基于用三路兵去下底.而这步的思路是先做好两兵的右边联手准备,然后在用三路后兵下去.这点大家可以参照原着法慢慢体会.[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_13]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_14]还有车8进1的变化,但和的更干脆[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_15]此两兵先铺道,为三路兵下底做准备.[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_23]这里必须上左士,因为现在红三个兵还未成定势和棋.上右士则输.[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_28]禁止红兵下底,最顽强的下法.[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_29]关键的一路兵.此兵是掩护红三个低兵的走成定势的关键.[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_39]红有中兵挡着正好能和.[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_29]红兵下底,和/[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_16]多捉步和直接平车比红和的更简单.[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_21]成功下成定势和棋.[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_29]和.[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_29]成马双士双兵守和单车的局面.[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_29]
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聨吟客

再研究,這樣仍可和局
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[DhtmlXQ_comment6_12]到此为止,与陆兄所拟着法一样.的确现在局面粗看红方能动的子只有后兵,因此在红进三兵后,被黑方通过连续的顿挫,将红兵各个击破.但在通过仔细的观察发现黑象正好阻挡了黑车在河口的通道,而红正好可以利用这点而曲径通幽般的成和.[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_13]不易被发现的着法,一般不会去考虑主动将联手的兵拆开.原着法红的求和是基于用三路兵去下底.而这步的思路是先做好两兵的右边联手准备,然后在用三路后兵下去.这点大家可以参照原着法慢慢体会.[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_13]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_14]还有车8进1的变化,但和的更干脆[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_15]此两兵先铺道,为三路兵下底做准备.[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_23]这里必须上左士,因为现在红三个兵还未成定势和棋.上右士则输.[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_28]禁止红兵下底,最顽强的下法.[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_29]关键的一路兵.此兵是掩护红三个低兵的走成定势的关键.[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_39]红有中兵挡着正好能和.[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_29]红兵下底,和/[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_16]多捉步和直接平车比红和的更简单.[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_21]成功下成定势和棋.[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_29]和.[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_29]成马双士双兵守和单车的局面.[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_29]
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聨吟客

那黑退車這一變,紅也這樣走較簡單可和
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[DhtmlXQ_comment6_12]到此为止,与陆兄所拟着法一样.的确现在局面粗看红方能动的子只有后兵,因此在红进三兵后,被黑方通过连续的顿挫,将红兵各个击破.但在通过仔细的观察发现黑象正好阻挡了黑车在河口的通道,而红正好可以利用这点而曲径通幽般的成和.[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23_13]不易被发现的着法,一般不会去考虑主动将联手的兵拆开.原着法红的求和是基于用三路兵去下底.而这步的思路是先做好两兵的右边联手准备,然后在用三路后兵下去.这点大家可以参照原着法慢慢体会.[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_13]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23_14]还有车8进1的变化,但和的更干脆[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23_15]此两兵先铺道,为三路兵下底做准备.[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23_23]这里必须上左士,因为现在红三个兵还未成定势和棋.上右士则输.[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23_28]禁止红兵下底,最顽强的下法.[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23_29]关键的一路兵.此兵是掩护红三个低兵的走成定势的关键.[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23_39]红有中兵挡着正好能和.[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_29]红兵下底,和/[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_16]多捉步和直接平车比红和的更简单.[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_21]成功下成定势和棋.[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_29]和.[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_29]成马双士双兵守和单车的局面.[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_29]
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聨吟客

這樣,是說車7平8變化
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[DhtmlXQ_comment12]到此为止,与陆兄所拟着法一样.的确现在局面粗看红方能动的子只有后兵,因此在红进三兵后,被黑方通过连续的顿挫,将红兵各个击破.但在通过仔细的观察发现黑象正好阻挡了黑车在河口的通道,而红正好可以利用这点而曲径通幽般的成和.[/DhtmlXQ_comment12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23_13]不易被发现的着法,一般不会去考虑主动将联手的兵拆开.原着法红的求和是基于用三路兵去下底.而这步的思路是先做好两兵的右边联手准备,然后在用三路后兵下去.这点大家可以参照原着法慢慢体会.[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_13]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23_14]还有车8进1的变化,但和的更干脆[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23_15]此两兵先铺道,为三路兵下底做准备.[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23_23]这里必须上左士,因为现在红三个兵还未成定势和棋.上右士则输.[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23_28]禁止红兵下底,最顽强的下法.[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23_29]关键的一路兵.此兵是掩护红三个低兵的走成定势的关键.[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23_39]红有中兵挡着正好能和.[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_29]红兵下底,和/[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_16]多捉步和直接平车比红和的更简单.[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_21]成功下成定势和棋.[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_29]和.[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_29]成马双士双兵守和单车的局面.[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_29]
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聨吟客

修飾14樓變著
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[DhtmlXQ_comment6_12]到此为止,与陆兄所拟着法一样.的确现在局面粗看红方能动的子只有后兵,因此在红进三兵后,被黑方通过连续的顿挫,将红兵各个击破.但在通过仔细的观察发现黑象正好阻挡了黑车在河口的通道,而红正好可以利用这点而曲径通幽般的成和.[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23_13]不易被发现的着法,一般不会去考虑主动将联手的兵拆开.原着法红的求和是基于用三路兵去下底.而这步的思路是先做好两兵的右边联手准备,然后在用三路后兵下去.这点大家可以参照原着法慢慢体会.[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_13]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23_14]还有车8进1的变化,但和的更干脆[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23_15]此两兵先铺道,为三路兵下底做准备.[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23_23]这里必须上左士,因为现在红三个兵还未成定势和棋.上右士则输.[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23_28]禁止红兵下底,最顽强的下法.[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23_29]关键的一路兵.此兵是掩护红三个低兵的走成定势的关键.[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23_39]红有中兵挡着正好能和.[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_29]红兵下底,和/[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_16]多捉步和直接平车比红和的更简单.[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_21]成功下成定势和棋.[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_29]和.[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_29]成马双士双兵守和单车的局面.[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_29]
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天宇浪人

13楼是和不了的参看此帖http://www.hgchess.com/bbs/viewt ... 4619&highlight=
第8回合红兵一进一这一变着的注释。

愤怒的小炜

前些日子没上网,今天来看到本贴已有不少讨论.虽然现在摆出的拆解只有短短的十几回合.但当初在研究时却摆出过不下几十个图形,其中一些图开始以为也能和,后来都一一推翻了.聨吟客棋友提出的两个变化比较的引人思考.再此一并表示感谢.但比较可惜的聨吟客棋友的着法结果是并不能成和的.此局我认为红能和的关键是后一路兵的牺牲与中兵的狙击黑车,边兵的牺牲是为引离黑车对联手兵的牵制,中兵的狙击是为了保证铃铛兵的形成.只有符合这两个条件下红才能和.现在做下整理.

愤怒的小炜

整理如下[DhtmlXQ]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment12]到此为止,与陆兄所拟着法一样.的确现在局面粗看红方能动的子只有后兵,因此在红进三兵后,被黑方通过连续的顿挫,将红兵各个击破.但在通过仔细的观察发现黑象正好阻挡了黑车在河口的通道,而红正好可以利用这点而曲径通幽般的成和.[/DhtmlXQ_comment12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13]不易被发现的着法,一般不会去考虑主动将联手的兵拆开.原着法红的求和是基于用三路兵去下底.而这步的思路是先做好两兵的右边联手准备,然后在用三路后兵下去.这点大家可以参照原着法慢慢体会.||当然这步平兵是我研究到现在唯一能和的一步.[/DhtmlXQ_comment13]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14]还有车8进1的变化,但和的更干脆[/DhtmlXQ_comment14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15]此两兵先铺道,为三路兵下底做准备.[/DhtmlXQ_comment15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23]这里必须上左士,因为现在红三个兵还未成定势和棋.上右士则输.[/DhtmlXQ_comment23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment28]禁止红兵下底,最顽强的下法.[/DhtmlXQ_comment28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29]关键的一路兵.此兵是掩护红三个低兵的走成定势的关键.[/DhtmlXQ_comment29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment39]红有中兵挡着正好能和.[/DhtmlXQ_comment39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_29]红兵下底,和/[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_23]上右士败着.[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_58]黑胜定![/DhtmlXQ_comment2_58]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_16]多捉步和直接平车比红和的更简单.[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_21]成功下成定势和棋.[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_29]和.[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_29]成马双士双兵守和单车的局面.[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_13]横兵并不能守和.[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_13]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_18]直接平车,可以保证对红底兵的牵制.[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_26]现在可以看出,由于黑车可以通过杀着牵制红形成一二路的铃铛兵.这样黑有象可以胜二三路的铃铛兵.[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_10]平车是步新变化,但通过研究也能成和.[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_11]先下兵,是守和关键.[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_14]等着,为的是不让红先平一路.[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_19]现在如果红马没有,黑的便可以胜了.但现在黑的为了捉去红马而不得不放弃对红兵的牵制.从而红的能和.[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_17]与车7平8原变一样.[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_18]这样以红中兵去形成铃铛兵是无法求和的.[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_26]红无法再平兵,黑的胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_54]黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_54]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_41]黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_41]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment12]到此为止,与陆兄所拟着法一样.的确现在局面粗看红方能动的子只有后兵,因此在红进三兵后,被黑方通过连续的顿挫,将红兵各个击破.但在通过仔细的观察发现黑象正好阻挡了黑车在河口的通道,而红正好可以利用这点而曲径通幽般的成和.[/DhtmlXQ_comment12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13]不易被发现的着法,一般不会去考虑主动将联手的兵拆开.原着法红的求和是基于用三路兵去下底.而这步的思路是先做好两兵的右边联手准备,然后在用三路后兵下去.这点大家可以参照原着法慢慢体会.||当然这步平兵是我研究到现在唯一能和的一步.[/DhtmlXQ_comment13]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14]还有车8进1的变化,但和的更干脆[/DhtmlXQ_comment14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15]此两兵先铺道,为三路兵下底做准备.[/DhtmlXQ_comment15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23]这里必须上左士,因为现在红三个兵还未成定势和棋.上右士则输.[/DhtmlXQ_comment23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment28]禁止红兵下底,最顽强的下法.[/DhtmlXQ_comment28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29]关键的一路兵.此兵是掩护红三个低兵的走成定势的关键.[/DhtmlXQ_comment29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment39]红有中兵挡着正好能和.[/DhtmlXQ_comment39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_29]红兵下底,和/[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_23]上右士败着.[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_58]黑胜定![/DhtmlXQ_comment2_58]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_16]多捉步和直接平车比红和的更简单.[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_21]成功下成定势和棋.[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_29]和.[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_29]成马双士双兵守和单车的局面.[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_13]横兵并不能守和.[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_13]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_18]直接平车,可以保证对红底兵的牵制.[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_26]现在可以看出,由于黑车可以通过杀着牵制红形成一二路的铃铛兵.这样黑有象可以胜二三路的铃铛兵.[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_10]平车是步新变化,但通过研究也能成和.[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_11]先下兵,是守和关键.[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_14]等着,为的是不让红先平一路.[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_19]现在如果红马没有,黑的便可以胜了.但现在黑的为了捉去红马而不得不放弃对红兵的牵制.从而红的能和.[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_17]与车7平8原变一样.[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_18]这样以红中兵去形成铃铛兵是无法求和的.[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_26]红无法再平兵,黑的胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_54]黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_54]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_41]黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_41]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment12]到此为止,与陆兄所拟着法一样.的确现在局面粗看红方能动的子只有后兵,因此在红进三兵后,被黑方通过连续的顿挫,将红兵各个击破.但在通过仔细的观察发现黑象正好阻挡了黑车在河口的通道,而红正好可以利用这点而曲径通幽般的成和.[/DhtmlXQ_comment12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_13]不易被发现的着法,一般不会去考虑主动将联手的兵拆开.原着法红的求和是基于用三路兵去下底.而这步的思路是先做好两兵的右边联手准备,然后在用三路后兵下去.这点大家可以参照原着法慢慢体会.||当然这步平兵是我研究到现在唯一能和的一步.[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_13]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_14]还有车8进1的变化,但和的更干脆[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_15]此两兵先铺道,为三路兵下底做准备.[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_23]这里必须上左士,因为现在红三个兵还未成定势和棋.上右士则输.[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_28]禁止红兵下底,最顽强的下法.[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_29]关键的一路兵.此兵是掩护红三个低兵的走成定势的关键.[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_39]红有中兵挡着正好能和.[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_29]红兵下底,和/[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_23]上右士败着.[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_58]黑胜定![/DhtmlXQ_comment2_58]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_16]多捉步和直接平车比红和的更简单.[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_21]成功下成定势和棋.[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_29]和.[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_29]成马双士双兵守和单车的局面.[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13]横兵并不能守和.[/DhtmlXQ_comment13]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18]直接平车,可以保证对红底兵的牵制.[/DhtmlXQ_comment18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_26]现在可以看出,由于黑车可以通过杀着牵制红形成一二路的铃铛兵.这样黑有象可以胜二三路的铃铛兵.[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_10]平车是步新变化,但通过研究也能成和.[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_11]先下兵,是守和关键.[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_14]等着,为的是不让红先平一路.[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_19]现在如果红马没有,黑的便可以胜了.但现在黑的为了捉去红马而不得不放弃对红兵的牵制.从而红的能和.[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_17]与车7平8原变一样.[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_18]这样以红中兵去形成铃铛兵是无法求和的.[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_26]红无法再平兵,黑的胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_54]黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_54]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_41]黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_41]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment6_12]到此为止,与陆兄所拟着法一样.的确现在局面粗看红方能动的子只有后兵,因此在红进三兵后,被黑方通过连续的顿挫,将红兵各个击破.但在通过仔细的观察发现黑象正好阻挡了黑车在河口的通道,而红正好可以利用这点而曲径通幽般的成和.[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_13]不易被发现的着法,一般不会去考虑主动将联手的兵拆开.原着法红的求和是基于用三路兵去下底.而这步的思路是先做好两兵的右边联手准备,然后在用三路后兵下去.这点大家可以参照原着法慢慢体会.||当然这步平兵是我研究到现在唯一能和的一步.[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_13]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_14]还有车8进1的变化,但和的更干脆[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_15]此两兵先铺道,为三路兵下底做准备.[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_23]这里必须上左士,因为现在红三个兵还未成定势和棋.上右士则输.[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_28]禁止红兵下底,最顽强的下法.[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_29]关键的一路兵.此兵是掩护红三个低兵的走成定势的关键.[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_39]红有中兵挡着正好能和.[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_29]红兵下底,和/[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_23]上右士败着.[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_58]黑胜定![/DhtmlXQ_comment2_58]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_16]多捉步和直接平车比红和的更简单.[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_21]成功下成定势和棋.[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_29]和.[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_29]成马双士双兵守和单车的局面.[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_13]横兵并不能守和.[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_13]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_18]直接平车,可以保证对红底兵的牵制.[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_26]现在可以看出,由于黑车可以通过杀着牵制红形成一二路的铃铛兵.这样黑有象可以胜二三路的铃铛兵.[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10]平车是步新变化,但通过研究也能成和.[/DhtmlXQ_comment10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11]先下兵,是守和关键.[/DhtmlXQ_comment11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14]等着,为的是不让红先平一路.[/DhtmlXQ_comment14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19]现在如果红马没有,黑的便可以胜了.但现在黑的为了捉去红马而不得不放弃对红兵的牵制.从而红的能和.[/DhtmlXQ_comment19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_17]与车7平8原变一样.[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_18]这样以红中兵去形成铃铛兵是无法求和的.[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_26]红无法再平兵,黑的胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_54]黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_54]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_41]黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_41]
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這樣也能和否?
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[DhtmlXQ_comment6_12]到此为止,与陆兄所拟着法一样.的确现在局面粗看红方能动的子只有后兵,因此在红进三兵后,被黑方通过连续的顿挫,将红兵各个击破.但在通过仔细的观察发现黑象正好阻挡了黑车在河口的通道,而红正好可以利用这点而曲径通幽般的成和.[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_13]不易被发现的着法,一般不会去考虑主动将联手的兵拆开.原着法红的求和是基于用三路兵去下底.而这步的思路是先做好两兵的右边联手准备,然后在用三路后兵下去.这点大家可以参照原着法慢慢体会.||当然这步平兵是我研究到现在唯一能和的一步.[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_13]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_14]还有车8进1的变化,但和的更干脆[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_15]此两兵先铺道,为三路兵下底做准备.[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_23]这里必须上左士,因为现在红三个兵还未成定势和棋.上右士则输.[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_28]禁止红兵下底,最顽强的下法.[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_29]关键的一路兵.此兵是掩护红三个低兵的走成定势的关键.[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_39]红有中兵挡着正好能和.[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_29]红兵下底,和/[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_23]上右士败着.[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_58]黑胜定![/DhtmlXQ_comment2_58]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_16]多捉步和直接平车比红和的更简单.[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_21]成功下成定势和棋.[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_29]和.[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_29]成马双士双兵守和单车的局面.[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_13]横兵并不能守和.[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_13]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_18]直接平车,可以保证对红底兵的牵制.[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_26]现在可以看出,由于黑车可以通过杀着牵制红形成一二路的铃铛兵.这样黑有象可以胜二三路的铃铛兵.[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10]平车是步新变化,但通过研究也能成和.[/DhtmlXQ_comment10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_11]先下兵,是守和关键.[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_14]等着,为的是不让红先平一路.[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_19]现在如果红马没有,黑的便可以胜了.但现在黑的为了捉去红马而不得不放弃对红兵的牵制.从而红的能和.[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_17]与车7平8原变一样.[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18]这样以红中兵去形成铃铛兵是无法求和的.[/DhtmlXQ_comment18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_26]红无法再平兵,黑的胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_54]黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_54]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_41]黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_41]
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愤怒的小炜

恩,看来主变车7平8到车8退5后红兵三平四也能和.但22,23楼的变化,由于红失去一路兵则负.

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聨吟客

小煒兄辛苦了

hzsjy

此局红３个低兵只能在一路二路才可和．
我８楼的解法就是没有注意到这点．
２４楼也是没有注意这一点．
应如下着法：
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天宇浪人

恩，感谢小炜几个月的潜心研究，也感谢大家的热情参与讨论。
看来此局是一则上乘的泥马和局，稍可惜的是首成兄作的《江湖百局秘谱——修订本》以及钟志康老师的《民间象棋排局》都已经据我的《残排杂感》而作了替换和修改。不过我还是对此局能够得到充分的补充和完善而感到由衷的高兴！也欢迎大家继续对拙作多提宝贵意见！

愤怒的小炜

此局能有如此多的变化,首先还是陆兄的细致解析,的确车7平8和车8退5两着给了红方求和带来了巨大的考验.昨天第21-23楼联吟客棋友提出的后兵平四的下法确实当初未曾考虑到.但昨晚下线后仔细的再复了下,觉得后兵平四的着法并不能求和.而如果后兵平四的着法和不了,那是否意味着主变第6回合的形式,红只有兵二平一这唯一的一条和棋路径,还是有其他应法可和呢?
下面是我解拆的后兵平四着法.

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天宇浪人

目前看来，唯一的和法是小炜拟的兵二平一变招：）
大家看看还能挖掘出什么新变化吗？