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作者: 豫东棋人 时间: 2013-11-9 21:58
标题: 第88局十五望月
此局岀自《江湖排局集萃》第88局十五望月，但本人认为此局不成立，请棋友看看原图错在哪里？请帮助修正 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999949992580559965999999243199999999405060997199999968581743[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_pver]100125[/DhtmlXQ_pver] [DhtmlXQ_adddate]2011-04-07[/DhtmlXQ_adddate] [DhtmlXQ_editdate]2011-04-07[/DhtmlXQ_editdate] [DhtmlXQ_title]第88局十五望月[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_length]41[/DhtmlXQ_length] [DhtmlXQ_type]江湖棋局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_class]殘排局[/DhtmlXQ_class] [DhtmlXQ_round]下集[/DhtmlXQ_round] [DhtmlXQ_result]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_hits]19[/DhtmlXQ_hits] [DhtmlXQ_movelist][/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [/DhtmlXQ]

作者: zhaodi 时间: 2013-11-10 10:51

我看还是成立的，红先和。

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[DhtmlXQ_round]下集[/DhtmlXQ_round]
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作者: 迟暮寒士 时间: 2013-11-10 11:34
同意楼上着法。如果楼主说本局不成立，那就是是原谱着法有误，可能是黑方走了劣着。我没看到过本局，但我认为黑方最有可能走错的地方是第三步，黑方没有走卒5进1，可能走了卒7进1或车7平8，结果都导致红胜。原谱肯定是误和，所以此后红棋也应走了劣着。请楼主贴出原谱着法。

作者: yjr123 时间: 2013-11-10 11:51
第4回合红方车四平八应该也是和棋
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_25]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_25]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment2_32]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_32]
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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2013-11-10 15:10
2樓14回合進卒或退士再進卒變化稍多,也和

作者: 古婺 时间: 2013-11-10 20:10
哈哈，有意思！

原谱中的棋图的确和一楼相同，但根据原谱的着法，此图是印刷错误。我推出应该是下面的图（附原着法）： [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999939992580559965999999243199999999405060997199999958481743[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_pver]100125[/DhtmlXQ_pver] [DhtmlXQ_adddate]2011-04-07[/DhtmlXQ_adddate] [DhtmlXQ_editdate]2011-04-07[/DhtmlXQ_editdate] [DhtmlXQ_title]第88局十五望月[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_length]41[/DhtmlXQ_length] [DhtmlXQ_type]江湖棋局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_class]殘排局[/DhtmlXQ_class] [DhtmlXQ_round]下集[/DhtmlXQ_round] [DhtmlXQ_result]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_hits]19[/DhtmlXQ_hits] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]806171615551484939385848384861516545504131415141454143442434[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_comment0]根据原谱着法推断，红帅应该在六路，黑两卒应该在5，6路。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0][DhtmlXQ_comment15]原谱到此为和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15] [/DhtmlXQ] 但按一楼印刷错误的图，结果也是和棋，有点歪打正中了，有趣。

作者: 迟暮寒士 时间: 2013-11-11 09:45
2樓14回合進卒或退士再進卒變化稍多,也和[/quote] 的確如你所說，2樓用卒換車過早，應先退士守護中路（若先進中卒，紅方車六進一），再進中卒、。紅方需要急速進兵，及時用兵換士，破壞黑方的後防。最終車相和三卒。

作者: yjr123 时间: 2013-11-11 09:56
最终車相和三卒？

怎么可能会是这种结果？

作者: 迟暮寒士 时间: 2013-11-11 10:31
哈哈，有意思！原谱中的棋图的确和一楼相同，但根据原谱的着法，此图是印刷错误。我推出应该是下面的 ...[/quote] 哈哈哈！实在是太有意思了。我把你贴出的棋局局面和一楼的棋局局面反复对比，看了半天，也没看出有什么不同之处，最初还怀疑你也贴错了，难怪会印刷错误。红方车四进四是妙手，你一定是从这一着判断出原局应有的局面的吧。这两局可称为一对姊妹局。

作者: 迟暮寒士 时间: 2013-11-11 11:15
最终車相和三卒？怎么可能会是这种结果？[/quote] 7楼所做的结果只是我初步判断。刚才我用棋软演示一下，结果还挺复杂。下面是第12回合后的局面，如果首着红退炮打卒，可能黑胜。红方首着车四平六，才能和棋。我还没有把握，请你演示一下。 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_title]无标题[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_event][/DhtmlXQ_event] [DhtmlXQ_date][/DhtmlXQ_date] [DhtmlXQ_place][/DhtmlXQ_place] [DhtmlXQ_round][/DhtmlXQ_round] [DhtmlXQ_table][/DhtmlXQ_table] [DhtmlXQ_red][/DhtmlXQ_red] [DhtmlXQ_redteam][/DhtmlXQ_redteam] [DhtmlXQ_redrating][/DhtmlXQ_redrating] [DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time] [DhtmlXQ_black][/DhtmlXQ_black] [DhtmlXQ_blackteam][/DhtmlXQ_blackteam] [DhtmlXQ_blackrating][/DhtmlXQ_blackrating] [DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_remark][/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_author][/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_binit]5199079939999999994399249999999999999952409999999999992844485899[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]5131[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_1]4348[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_1] [DhtmlXQ_comment1]可和[/DhtmlXQ_comment1] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_1]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_1] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战全局/开局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_timerule][/DhtmlXQ_timerule] [DhtmlXQ_endtype][/DhtmlXQ_endtype] [DhtmlXQ_owner][/DhtmlXQ_owner] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_gametype][/DhtmlXQ_gametype] [/DhtmlXQ]

作者: yjr123 时间: 2013-11-11 11:48
下面是第12回合后的局面，如果首着红退炮打卒，可能黑胜。

不可能吧！

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作者: 迟暮寒士 时间: 2013-11-11 12:17
下面是第12回合后的局面，如果首着红退炮打卒，可能黑胜。不可能吧！[/quote] 我搞错了，是和棋， [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_title]无标题[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_event][/DhtmlXQ_event] [DhtmlXQ_date][/DhtmlXQ_date] [DhtmlXQ_place][/DhtmlXQ_place] [DhtmlXQ_round][/DhtmlXQ_round] [DhtmlXQ_table][/DhtmlXQ_table] [DhtmlXQ_red][/DhtmlXQ_red] [DhtmlXQ_redteam][/DhtmlXQ_redteam] [DhtmlXQ_redrating][/DhtmlXQ_redrating] [DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time] [DhtmlXQ_black][/DhtmlXQ_black] [DhtmlXQ_blackteam][/DhtmlXQ_blackteam] [DhtmlXQ_blackrating][/DhtmlXQ_blackrating] [DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_remark][/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_author][/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_binit]5199079939999999994399249999999999999952409999999999992844485899[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]4348584851315241242344452322454631354647223247573242575835362838363848383938[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_12_1]4132353240413234414034334041[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_12_1] [DhtmlXQ_comment11]我原误走兵七进一，结果误做黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11] [DhtmlXQ_comment19]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment19] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_18]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_18] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_timerule][/DhtmlXQ_timerule] [DhtmlXQ_endtype][/DhtmlXQ_endtype] [DhtmlXQ_owner][/DhtmlXQ_owner] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_gametype][/DhtmlXQ_gametype] [/DhtmlXQ]

作者: 平原一刀 时间: 2013-11-11 12:18
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作者: ★星海★ 时间: 2013-11-11 12:30
[/quote] [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999949992580559965999999243199999999405060997199999968581743[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_pver]100125[/DhtmlXQ_pver] [DhtmlXQ_adddate]2011-04-07[/DhtmlXQ_adddate] [DhtmlXQ_editdate]2011-04-07[/DhtmlXQ_editdate] [DhtmlXQ_title]第88局十五望月[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_length]41[/DhtmlXQ_length] [DhtmlXQ_type]江湖棋局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_class]殘排局[/DhtmlXQ_class] [DhtmlXQ_round]下集[/DhtmlXQ_round] [DhtmlXQ_result]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_hits]19[/DhtmlXQ_hits] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]8061716165605041555343445343618149395848313040504353815130405040535117276063685863434132434858485154[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_25]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_25] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_4_1]6160555358484948685848585041535141305152606858576867575830415222676858574130224230414241[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_4_1] [DhtmlXQ_comment2_18]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_18] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_7_2]531340501310413010305051304051524050615150515251[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_7_2] [DhtmlXQ_comment3_32]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_32] [DhtmlXQ_comment7]正着[/DhtmlXQ_comment7] [DhtmlXQ_comment2_7]劣[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_7] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_22_3]41522507272843485848513128383138483839384445[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_22_3] [DhtmlXQ_comment22]黑这样呢[/DhtmlXQ_comment22] [/DhtmlXQ]

作者: 平原一刀 时间: 2013-11-11 12:50
多谢星海兄指出。12楼的结局我觉得很好，但红方有两路和法，就感觉节外生枝了。

作者: ★星海★ 时间: 2013-11-11 13:08

平原一刀发表于 2013-11-11 12:50
多谢星海兄指出。12楼的结局我觉得很好，但红方有两路和法，就感觉节外生枝了。

错图误打误撞成这样就不错了，如果不满意德兴兄可以尝试修改。

作者: 平原一刀 时间: 2013-11-11 21:02
歪打正中的棋局，也是一个趣事，贸然修改不合适

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