野马操田【早期《北京象棋》的诠正】

sdndsx · 发表于 2015-3-20 10:47:11

野马操田早期《北京象棋》的诠正局，原文说：诠正局避免了棋例纠纷，请朋友们再看看结论如何。 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]8499479939992564749999994699269916990241403020999999999999993748[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_event]江湖八大排局[/DhtmlXQ_event] [DhtmlXQ_date]2000-10-10[/DhtmlXQ_date] [DhtmlXQ_place]重庆市巫山县[/DhtmlXQ_place] [DhtmlXQ_title]野马操田【早期《北京象棋》的诠正】[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_author]龚伟[/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_remark]龚伟[/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_result]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_movelist][/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [/DhtmlXQ]

象棋天使 · 发表于 2015-3-20 12:55:48

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yjr123 · 发表于 2015-3-20 14:50:08

象棋天使发表于 2015-3-20 12:55

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zhang48129 · 发表于 2015-3-20 15:43:36

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yjr123 · 发表于 2015-3-20 16:51:18

真厉害，单车对单车还演变了一百多个回合

聨吟客 · 发表于 2015-3-20 17:14:54

有邊象好像黑可勝?

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sdndsx · 发表于 2015-3-20 19:10:20

非常感谢各位朋友的捧场！我贴出这局棋的用意是： 1 北京象棋总共只有几期，当时还没有强软，现在看来是不是和棋呢？ 2 说是不牵扯棋例纠纷，是否正确？ 3 如果上述两条都是对的，我个人以为：这局棋是最贴近原局的佳作（只是把中象改成边象，正和棋还不牵扯棋例纠纷）。

yjr123 · 发表于 2015-3-20 19:55:20

6楼黑胜成立

菜鸟来玩 · 发表于 2015-3-20 20:38:06

12回合黑车4平6呢

yuntao云涛 · 发表于 2015-3-20 22:45:47

12回合黑车4平6呢[/quote] 哪里来的【12回合黑车4平6呢】这个疑问？

菜鸟来玩 · 发表于 2015-3-21 06:55:30

哪里来的【12回合黑车4平6呢】这个疑问？[/quote] 12回合无一例外都是前卒平5，前卒平5改车5平6.

菜鸟来玩 · 发表于 2015-3-21 07:06:20

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yuntao云涛 · 发表于 2015-3-21 07:17:30

[/quote] 【12回合黑前卒平5】黑胜对吗？

sdndsx · 发表于 2015-3-21 08:53:07

谢谢各位朋友！这局棋的最后结论如何？继续加油！

聨吟客 · 发表于 2015-3-21 08:58:17

請教樓主與菜鳥,6樓黑勝法有問題嗎?

sdndsx · 发表于 2015-3-21 09:15:23

本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2015-3-21 09:44 编辑

聨吟客发表于 2015-3-21 08:58
請教樓主與菜鳥,6樓黑勝法有問題嗎?

谢谢先生！6楼先生（资深江湖排局名家）的黑胜着法得到YJR老师（我最敬佩的）的赞同。菜鸟来玩先生（强软高手）认为：这个变化后面比较复杂。此局的变化我想再等一等（没有别的意思）。

聨吟客 · 发表于 2015-3-21 09:24:20

6樓可以黑勝,為什麼黑要選擇12樓複雜變化呢?

12樓我不知道正確結果,可能和局,萬一也是黑勝,也比6樓多出好多回合,黑方選擇12樓是不明智的

yjr123 · 发表于 2015-3-21 09:30:34

12回合前卒平5黑胜结论没有推翻，菜鸟却提出前卒平5改车5平6，而结论还是“很复杂”，说明改走的着法不是最佳着法。

聨吟客 · 发表于 2015-3-21 09:35:47

刪除邊象,6樓走法就能和局,那就可研究12樓變化,此圖好像以前有人發表過,菜鳥與大家可以繼續研究, 得出最終正確結果為止,我也樂于學習

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sdndsx · 发表于 2015-3-21 09:37:02

本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2015-3-21 09:38 编辑

谢谢聨吟客先生！菜鸟来玩先生提出了黑方主动变着的变化，我个人觉得：

1 如果是黑速胜的话，是有价值的。
2 如果是和棋的话，先生的黑胜着法没有推翻。
3 如果是红胜的话，应该属于劣变。

本帖子所有跟帖的朋友，我都热烈欢迎。正确结论应该经得起讨论的。

聨吟客 · 发表于 2015-3-21 09:48:51

sdndsx 发表于 2015-3-21 09:37
谢谢聨吟客先生！菜鸟来玩先生提出了黑方主动变着的变化，我个人觉得：

1 如果是黑速胜的话 ...

12樓有黑速勝的跡象嗎?

聨吟客 · 发表于 2015-3-21 10:01:54

12樓研究也不是沒有價值, 用在刪除邊象的局就不錯,請看19樓的圖,19樓按照6樓走法可和,黑方就可選擇12樓複雜變化

(不過即使攤主用6樓走法,一般路人走紅恐怕幾百人都無人能和 )

yjr123 · 发表于 2015-3-21 18:05:00

聨吟客发表于 2015-3-21 09:35
刪除邊象,6樓走法就能和局,那就可研究12樓變化,此圖好像以前有人發表過,菜鳥與大家可以繼續研究, 得出最終正 ...

19楼局面应该早就有了

桑莫喜 · 发表于 2015-3-21 18:38:22

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2015-3-21 19:11:10

yjr123 发表于 2015-3-21 18:05
19楼局面应该早就有了

是的,我有印象有人在論壇發表過　,但好像還沒有窮盡變化得出最終正確結果,希望菜鳥與樓主還有大家繼續努力研究,我樂於向大家學習o　

聨吟客 · 发表于 2015-3-21 19:15:16

桑莫喜发表于 2015-3-21 18:38
这是象期法官在有条件的等子排局中帖出的野马操田.

確定一下有沒有邊卒?有邊卒按照6樓走法好像仍黑勝,沒有邊卒和局應該沒問題 o

yjr123 · 发表于 2015-3-21 19:33:14

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[DhtmlXQ_comment59]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment59]
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聨吟客 · 发表于 2015-3-21 20:02:52

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好人做到底

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2015-3-21 20:14:49

沒有邊卒才能和

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2015-3-21 20:21:41

本帖最后由聨吟客于 2015-3-21 20:34 编辑

哈哈哈哈哈哈哈.......................28樓過程有欠精確,不過黑必勝無疑

晚點再來修改

已做編輯修正

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[排局诠正] 野马操田【早期《北京象棋》的诠正】

怎么和不了？

这个变化后面比较复杂