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[江湖局研究] 三氣周瑜

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发表于 2018-9-29 23:51:17 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
蔣權朱鶴洲裘望禹百局譜詮注本的走法

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 楼主| 发表于 2018-10-5 10:53:02 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 聨吟客 于 2018-10-5 11:30 编辑

51樓22回合黑方大漏
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 楼主| 发表于 2018-9-29 23:59:32 | 显示全部楼层


感覺還有很多變化待挖掘

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 楼主| 发表于 2018-9-30 00:04:17 | 显示全部楼层
這樣如何?

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[DhtmlXQ_comment2_38]和局[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment36]||為什麼不這樣黑仍占優呢\u003F紅不容易和\u003F[/DhtmlXQ_comment36]
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 楼主| 发表于 2018-9-30 01:34:28 | 显示全部楼层
云庫走法很深奧有點像鴻雁雙飛

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发表于 2018-9-30 02:26:13 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 chouzhouyu 于 2018-9-30 12:29 编辑

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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]该局排局界黑胜好象已是定论。在87年版的朱蒋裘版本中为和棋结论,在90年代后就成了黑胜了。包括朱鹤洲再版的。||论坛中关于该局的地址:||http://www.hychess.com/forum.php ... &extra=page%3D1||||[FEN=4k4/9/6P2/4P4/2b6/9/1p6C/4B4/5p3/4Kc3 b - - 13 17]本人认为可和着法红变招处[/FEN]||||[FEN=4k4/5P3/9/9/4c1b2/6B2/4C4/9/4p4/3K5 b - - 0 28]本人认为可和着法2[/FEN]||||[FEN=2b1k3C/9/r4RP2/9/9/9/p5P2/4B4/4p4/3K3c1 w - - 0 9]百局变招分支处[/FEN]||||[FEN=9/3k5/9/9/9/9/9/9/3p1K3/1C7 b - - 1 36]百局第1局,和[/FEN]||||[FEN=4k4/9/4PP3/3C5/2b6/9/9/4p4/5p3/4K2c1 w - - 0 21]百局第2局,黑胜[/FEN]||||[FEN=4k4/3P1P3/9/9/2b6/9/3C5/4B4/4p4/3K1p3 w - - 1 31]白周版本黑胜主变[/FEN]||||发现黑胜着法主要为:黑卒能有机会走到红帅九宫处,一种胜法是黑卒走到红士角位置时红相来不及飞直接被黑卒吃掉了,另一种是黑卒走到红方二路线,控制住了红帅的活动,之后黑炮移到红方左侧成杀。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3]兼攻带守的着法。一面闪开炮路,伏沉底炮杀;一面防黑卒平3(弃卒吸引),相五退七,車6平4的杀着或炮2进9后車1平4的杀着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6]先手除去红方底兵,暗伏車1平4的杀着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12]升車保象,一着两用,暗伏車1平4的杀着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17]弃車引象,解除黑車1平4的杀着威胁。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18]以下原谱列出两局变化[/DhtmlXQ_comment18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19]第二局||||||该局是否是黑胜和和棋的结论主要看这路变化。||||[FEN=4k4/9/4PP3/3C5/2b6/9/9/4p4/5p3/4K2c1 w - - 0 21]百局第2局,黑胜[/FEN]||||[FEN=9/3k1P3/9/9/2b6/3C5/3p5/4B4/3K1p3/9 w - - 7 23]朱蒋裘87年版本认为该变和棋着法[/FEN]||||徐家亮,苏德龙87年百局版本为原谱黑胜着法,之后再版的也未更改。||||[FEN=5k3/9/b3P4/9/4C1P2/9/9/9/4pp3/3K3c1 w - - 2 18]董志新88年百局版本认为该变黑胜着法1(另一胜法为原谱胜法)[/FEN]||||[FEN=9/3k1P3/2P6/9/2b6/3C5/9/4B4/4p4/1c1p1K3 w - - 44 32]朱鹤洲99年版的江湖排局集成中诠为黑胜着法[/FEN]||||杨明忠版为黑胜为原谱着法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment24]原谱着法[/DhtmlXQ_comment24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment55]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment55]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_58]已和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_58]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_31]弈聪注:这步进兵感觉有问题,不进兵更利于防守,多了一个炮可在兵前打卒的机会且炮可在该线左右移动相当于多了一路活动范围。可动炮走闲着。但红若想取胜的话进兵也可以。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_32]弈聪注:下步红方的应着各诠注本基本上是炮平五或平六,炮平五可以说是防止黑卒占心使红帅动不了,但可以走帅六平五替代。炮平六根本看不出它的作用。炮留在一二路线更好,以后万一黑卒走下来,可以退炮防守防止黑卒进一步下来。下步棋红炮上下动走闲觉得可以。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_33]新招[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_35]弈聪注:守和的关键点,不过这步飞相也可以等以后走。只要黑卒走到红士角位置前能有机会飞相,红炮可退到二路打卒就可。其余可用炮走闲着,或用炮拦黑炮。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_39]和?||||黑要胜就要从中路进攻,从中路进攻就要先想办法打掉红相。现在这局势黑炮打红相好象还有点机会,之前的18回合红相飞到三路是否较好。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_47]黑一将一杀。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_65]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_65]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_37]?可能有问题。||||走闲着。红中兵未拱下去时更好。这样炮可再进一步,利于左右移动。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_43]红一将一杀。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_40]黑卒拱下去即和。||||黑另一种胜法是黑炮能否回到中路进攻。这样的话上步红炮进一较好,可拦黑炮,但黑炮可回打红兵,拦不住。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_55]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_55]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_53]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_45]飞相关键。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_57]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_33]?刊注着法,黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_35]?[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_39]?可否平移。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_41]之前飞相的话这步黑卒走下来后能有机会平炮打卒。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_45][FEN=5k3/6P2/9/5P3/2b6/4C4/9/4B4/3p1p3/4K2c1 b - - 25 23]相同局面[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment11_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_62]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_62]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_62]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_62]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_60]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_60]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_64]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_64]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_62]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_62]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_69]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_69]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_49]红一将一杀,必须变着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_58]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_58]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_45]下同主变。||||[FEN=5k3/6P2/9/5P3/2b6/4C4/9/4B4/3p1p3/4K2c1 b - - 25 23]相同局面[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment21_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22_33]弈聪注:原谱着法,黑胜。这步棋看不出它的作用。[/DhtmlXQ_comment22_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22_42]百局第2局红车杀黑车,劣着,黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment22_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23_33]新招。同帅六平五原理一样。在黑卒走到红士角位置前能有机会飞相均可。||诠注本的胜法中有一种是相未飞,炮还在中路,致使黑卒攻下来若飞相炮在中路没机会退炮做好打卒的准备。不飞相直接被吃了,后面根本无法防守。[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment24_37]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment24_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25_35]?[/DhtmlXQ_comment25_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25_62]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment25_62]
[DhtmlXQ_comment26_55]和。竹谱一本。[/DhtmlXQ_comment26_55]
[DhtmlXQ_comment27_55]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment27_55]
[DhtmlXQ_comment28_64]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment28_64]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29_27]劣。[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29_42]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment32_46]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment32_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment33_40]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment33_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment34_38]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment34_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment35_43]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment35_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment36_46]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment36_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment37_50]亦和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment37_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment38_34]败着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment38_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment38_41]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment38_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment39_37]错失胜机。[/DhtmlXQ_comment39_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment39_43]和。竹谱变九。[/DhtmlXQ_comment39_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment40_41]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment40_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment41_27]以下黑有三种应着均难逃败北下場。[/DhtmlXQ_comment41_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment41_41]红胜。竹谱变八。[/DhtmlXQ_comment41_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment42_51]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment42_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment43_31]红胜。竹谱变十一。[/DhtmlXQ_comment43_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment44_35]红胜定。竹谱变十二。[/DhtmlXQ_comment44_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment45_56]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment45_56]
[DhtmlXQ_comment46_52]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment46_52]
[DhtmlXQ_comment50_37]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment50_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment51_24]新变![/DhtmlXQ_comment51_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment51_41]![/DhtmlXQ_comment51_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment51_57]不变作和![/DhtmlXQ_comment51_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment52_50]?[/DhtmlXQ_comment52_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment52_51]![/DhtmlXQ_comment52_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment53_50]?[/DhtmlXQ_comment53_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment53_57]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment53_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment55_51]亦可和[/DhtmlXQ_comment55_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment56_41]?[/DhtmlXQ_comment56_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment56_42]?[/DhtmlXQ_comment56_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment56_47]正![/DhtmlXQ_comment56_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment56_51]这样黑不利![/DhtmlXQ_comment56_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment57_41]!?[/DhtmlXQ_comment57_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment57_42]![/DhtmlXQ_comment57_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment58_67]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment58_67]
[DhtmlXQ_comment59_27]红胜定。竹谱变七。[/DhtmlXQ_comment59_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment60_36]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment60_36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment61_19]第一局 官和?||||原谱认为炮一平七可以弈成和局。||||该变全部诠注本都认为是黑胜。其它版本的主变着法略。基本上差不多。主要争论点在这步炮四平九的变化中。||||[FEN=9/3k5/9/9/9/9/9/9/3p1K3/1C7 b - - 1 36]百局第1局,和[/FEN]||||[FEN=9/3k5/5P3/5P3/3C5/9/9/2c6/4p4/3K1p3 w - - 4 22]朱蒋裘87年版本认为该变黑胜着法[/FEN]||||[FEN=4Ck3/4P4/9/9/9/9/9/2p6/3K1p3/9 b - - 6 31]董志新88年百局版本认为该变真和着法[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment61_19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment61_20]此处黑方亦可改走車1进2||||弈聪注:车1进2?很多诠注本认为可走车1进2取胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment61_20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment61_23]古谱着法,黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment61_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment61_34]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment61_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment62_38]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment62_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment63_44]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment63_44]
[DhtmlXQ_comment64_26]?[/DhtmlXQ_comment64_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment64_46]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment64_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment65_50]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment65_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment66_32]黑不必演成着法循环的和局,而应走卒5平6。[/DhtmlXQ_comment66_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment66_37]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment66_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment67_30]这着进炮是本局正变的关键错着,从而失去了黑方取胜的良机。黑方应改走炮3平4。[/DhtmlXQ_comment67_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment67_46]如黑方改走炮5退2?则兵四进一![/DhtmlXQ_comment67_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment67_50]双方不变作和[/DhtmlXQ_comment67_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment68_47]黑有两种应法[/DhtmlXQ_comment68_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment68_59]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment68_59]
[DhtmlXQ_comment69_61]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment69_61]
[DhtmlXQ_comment70_61]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment70_61]
[DhtmlXQ_comment71_59]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment71_59]
[DhtmlXQ_comment72_53]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment72_53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment73_55]不变作和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment73_55]
[DhtmlXQ_comment74_47]此时红方应走兵六平五,亦可兵六进一。[/DhtmlXQ_comment74_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment74_56]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment74_56]
[DhtmlXQ_comment75_60]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment75_60]
[DhtmlXQ_comment76_60]大错!应改炮8平3催杀,黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment76_60]
[DhtmlXQ_comment76_69]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment76_69]
[DhtmlXQ_comment77_69]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment77_69]
[DhtmlXQ_comment78_71]百局第1局官和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment78_71]
[DhtmlXQ_comment81_23]新着法[/DhtmlXQ_comment81_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment81_48]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment81_48]
[DhtmlXQ_comment82_40]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment82_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment83_48]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment83_48]
[DhtmlXQ_comment84_44]劣着[/DhtmlXQ_comment84_44]
[DhtmlXQ_comment84_61]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment84_61]
[DhtmlXQ_comment85_39]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment85_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment86_34]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment86_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment87_20]黑若车1进1同车1进2。[/DhtmlXQ_comment87_20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment87_27][FEN=4k4/5P3/9/9/4C4/2B6/6P2/7c1/3p1p3/4K4 w - - 15 21]杨明忠版本中的黑胜着法[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment87_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment87_33]更佳,已和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment87_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment88_45]和。黑平1可不变和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment88_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment89_39]不变和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment89_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment90_40]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment90_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment91_41]不变作和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment91_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment92_42]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment92_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment93_43]红已胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment93_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment93_71]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment93_71]
[DhtmlXQ_comment94_34]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment94_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment95_23]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment95_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment96_15]红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment96_15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment97_21]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment97_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment98_15]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment98_15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment99_10]红无杀,黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment99_10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment100_9]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment100_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment101_13]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment101_13]
[DhtmlXQ_comment102_13]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment102_13]
[DhtmlXQ_comment103_7]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment103_7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment104_9]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment104_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment105_12]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment105_12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment105_14]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment105_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment106_8]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment106_8]
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先发一下我的拆解,共同探讨。
发表于 2018-9-30 02:26:59 | 显示全部楼层
最后局面是极象鸿雁局。
发表于 2018-9-30 12:09:25 | 显示全部楼层
正解应该是和棋,但着法还有问题。

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[DhtmlXQ_title]第05局 三气周瑜(该局待拆)[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_result]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_remark]弈聪[/DhtmlXQ_remark]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]该局排局界黑胜好象已是定论。在87年版的朱蒋裘版本中为和棋结论,在90年代后就成了黑胜了。包括朱鹤洲再版的。||论坛中关于该局的地址:||<a href\u003D\u0022<a href\u003D\u0022http://www.hychess.com/forum.php\u0022 target\u003D\u0022_blank\u0022>http://www.hychess.com/forum.php</a>\u003Fmod\u003Dviewthread\u0026tid\u003D254867\u0026extra\u003Dpage%3D1\u0022 target\u003D\u0022_blank\u0022>http://www.hychess.com/forum.php ... \u0026extra\u003Dpage%3D1</a>||||[FEN\u003D4k4/9/6P2/4P4/2b6/9/1p6C/4B4/5p3/4Kc3 b - - 13 17]本人认为可和着法红变招处[/FEN]||||[FEN\u003D4k4/5P3/9/9/4c1b2/6B2/4C4/9/4p4/3K5 b - - 0 28]本人认为可和着法2[/FEN]||||[FEN\u003D2b1k3C/9/r4RP2/9/9/9/p5P2/4B4/4p4/3K3c1 w - - 0 9]百局变招分支处[/FEN]||||[FEN\u003D9/3k5/9/9/9/9/9/9/3p1K3/1C7 b - - 1 36]百局第1局,和[/FEN]||||[FEN\u003D4k4/9/4PP3/3C5/2b6/9/9/4p4/5p3/4K2c1 w - - 0 21]百局第2局,黑胜[/FEN]||||[FEN\u003D4k4/3P1P3/9/9/2b6/9/3C5/4B4/4p4/3K1p3 w - - 1 31]白周版本黑胜主变[/FEN]||||发现黑胜着法主要为:黑卒能有机会走到红帅九宫处,一种胜法是黑卒走到红士角位置时红相来不及飞直接被黑卒吃掉了,另一种是黑卒走到红方二路线,控制住了红帅的活动,之后黑炮移到红方左侧成杀。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3]兼攻带守的着法。一面闪开炮路,伏沉底炮杀;一面防黑卒平3(弃卒吸引),相五退七,車6平4的杀着或炮2进9后車1平4的杀着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6]先手除去红方底兵,暗伏車1平4的杀着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12]升車保象,一着两用,暗伏車1平4的杀着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17]弃車引象,解除黑車1平4的杀着威胁。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18]以下原谱列出两局变化[/DhtmlXQ_comment18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19]第二局||||||该局是否是黑胜和和棋的结论主要看这路变化。||||[FEN\u003D4k4/9/4PP3/3C5/2b6/9/9/4p4/5p3/4K2c1 w - - 0 21]百局第2局,黑胜[/FEN]||||[FEN\u003D9/3k1P3/9/9/2b6/3C5/3p5/4B4/3K1p3/9 w - - 7 23]朱蒋裘87年版本认为该变和棋着法[/FEN]||||徐家亮,苏德龙87年百局版本为原谱黑胜着法,之后再版的也未更改。||||[FEN\u003D5k3/9/b3P4/9/4C1P2/9/9/9/4pp3/3K3c1 w - - 2 18]董志新88年百局版本认为该变黑胜着法1(另一胜法为原谱胜法)[/FEN]||||[FEN\u003D9/3k1P3/2P6/9/2b6/3C5/9/4B4/4p4/1c1p1K3 w - - 44 32]朱鹤洲99年版的江湖排局集成中诠为黑胜着法[/FEN]||||杨明忠版为黑胜为原谱着法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment51_24]原谱着法[/DhtmlXQ_comment51_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment51_55]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment51_55]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_58]已和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_58]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_31]弈聪注:这步进兵感觉有问题,不进兵更利于防守,炮可在兵前打卒的机会且炮可在该线左右移动。可动炮走闲着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_33]新招[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_35]弈聪注:守和的关键点,不过这步飞相也可以等以后走。只要黑卒走到红士角位置前能有机会飞相,红炮可退到二路打卒就可。其余可用炮走闲着,或用炮拦黑炮。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_39]和?||||黑要胜就要从中路进攻,从中路进攻就要先想办法打掉红相。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_47]黑一将一杀。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_65]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_65]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_37]?可能有问题。||||走闲着。红中兵未拱下去时更好。这样炮可再进一步,利于左右移动。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_43]红一将一杀。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_40]黑卒拱下去即和。||||黑另一种胜法是黑炮能否回到中路进攻。这样的话上步红炮进一较好,可拦黑炮,但黑炮可回打红兵,拦不住。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_55]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_55]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_53]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_45]飞相关键。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_57]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_33]?刊注着法,黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_35]?[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_39]?可否平移。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_41]之前飞相的话这步黑卒走下来后能有机会平炮打卒。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_45][FEN\u003D5k3/6P2/9/5P3/2b6/4C4/9/4B4/3p1p3/4K2c1 b - - 25 23]相同局面[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment11_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_62]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_62]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_62]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_62]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_60]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_60]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_64]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_64]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_62]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_62]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_69]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_69]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_49]红一将一杀,必须变着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_58]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_58]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_45]下同主变。||||[FEN\u003D5k3/6P2/9/5P3/2b6/4C4/9/4B4/3p1p3/4K2c1 b - - 25 23]相同局面[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment21_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22_33]弈聪注:原谱着法,黑胜。这步棋看不出它的作用。[/DhtmlXQ_comment22_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22_42]百局第2局红车杀黑车,劣着,黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment22_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23_33]新招。同帅六平五原理一样。在黑卒走到红士角位置前能有机会飞相均可。[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment24_37]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment24_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25_35]?[/DhtmlXQ_comment25_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25_62]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment25_62]
[DhtmlXQ_comment26_55]和。竹谱一本。[/DhtmlXQ_comment26_55]
[DhtmlXQ_comment27_55]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment27_55]
[DhtmlXQ_comment28_64]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment28_64]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29_27]劣。[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29_42]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment32_46]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment32_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment33_40]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment33_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment34_38]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment34_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment35_43]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment35_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment36_46]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment36_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment37_50]亦和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment37_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment38_34]败着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment38_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment38_41]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment38_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment39_37]错失胜机。[/DhtmlXQ_comment39_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment39_43]和。竹谱变九。[/DhtmlXQ_comment39_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment40_41]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment40_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment41_27]以下黑有三种应着均难逃败北下場。[/DhtmlXQ_comment41_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment41_41]红胜。竹谱变八。[/DhtmlXQ_comment41_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment42_51]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment42_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment43_31]红胜。竹谱变十一。[/DhtmlXQ_comment43_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment44_35]红胜定。竹谱变十二。[/DhtmlXQ_comment44_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment45_56]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment45_56]
[DhtmlXQ_comment46_52]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment46_52]
[DhtmlXQ_comment50_37]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment50_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment24]新变![/DhtmlXQ_comment24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment41]![/DhtmlXQ_comment41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment55_57]不变作和![/DhtmlXQ_comment55_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment52_50]?[/DhtmlXQ_comment52_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment52_51]![/DhtmlXQ_comment52_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment53_50]?[/DhtmlXQ_comment53_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment53_57]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment53_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment107_51]亦可和[/DhtmlXQ_comment107_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment56_41]?[/DhtmlXQ_comment56_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment56_42]?[/DhtmlXQ_comment56_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment56_47]正![/DhtmlXQ_comment56_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment56_51]这样黑不利![/DhtmlXQ_comment56_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment57_41]!?[/DhtmlXQ_comment57_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment57_42]![/DhtmlXQ_comment57_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment58_67]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment58_67]
[DhtmlXQ_comment59_27]红胜定。竹谱变七。[/DhtmlXQ_comment59_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment60_36]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment60_36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment61_19]第一局 官和?||||原谱认为炮一平七可以弈成和局。||||该变全部诠注本都认为是黑胜。其它版本的主变着法略。基本上差不多。主要争论点在这步炮四平九的变化中。||||[FEN\u003D9/3k5/9/9/9/9/9/9/3p1K3/1C7 b - - 1 36]百局第1局,和[/FEN]||||[FEN\u003D9/3k5/5P3/5P3/3C5/9/9/2c6/4p4/3K1p3 w - - 4 22]朱蒋裘87年版本认为该变黑胜着法[/FEN]||||[FEN\u003D4Ck3/4P4/9/9/9/9/9/2p6/3K1p3/9 b - - 6 31]董志新88年百局版本认为该变真和着法[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment61_19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment61_20]此处黑方亦可改走車1进2||||弈聪注:车1进2?很多诠注本认为可走车1进2取胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment61_20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment61_23]古谱着法,黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment61_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment61_34]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment61_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment62_38]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment62_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment63_44]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment63_44]
[DhtmlXQ_comment64_26]?[/DhtmlXQ_comment64_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment64_46]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment64_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment65_50]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment65_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment66_32]黑不必演成着法循环的和局,而应走卒5平6。[/DhtmlXQ_comment66_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment66_37]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment66_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment67_30]这着进炮是本局正变的关键错着,从而失去了黑方取胜的良机。黑方应改走炮3平4。[/DhtmlXQ_comment67_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment67_46]如黑方改走炮5退2?则兵四进一![/DhtmlXQ_comment67_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment67_50]双方不变作和[/DhtmlXQ_comment67_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment68_47]黑有两种应法[/DhtmlXQ_comment68_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment68_59]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment68_59]
[DhtmlXQ_comment69_61]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment69_61]
[DhtmlXQ_comment70_61]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment70_61]
[DhtmlXQ_comment71_59]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment71_59]
[DhtmlXQ_comment72_53]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment72_53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment73_55]不变作和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment73_55]
[DhtmlXQ_comment74_47]此时红方应走兵六平五,亦可兵六进一。[/DhtmlXQ_comment74_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment74_56]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment74_56]
[DhtmlXQ_comment75_60]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment75_60]
[DhtmlXQ_comment76_60]大错!应改炮8平3催杀,黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment76_60]
[DhtmlXQ_comment76_69]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment76_69]
[DhtmlXQ_comment77_69]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment77_69]
[DhtmlXQ_comment78_71]百局第1局官和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment78_71]
[DhtmlXQ_comment81_23]新着法[/DhtmlXQ_comment81_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment81_48]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment81_48]
[DhtmlXQ_comment82_40]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment82_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment83_48]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment83_48]
[DhtmlXQ_comment84_44]劣着[/DhtmlXQ_comment84_44]
[DhtmlXQ_comment84_61]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment84_61]
[DhtmlXQ_comment85_39]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment85_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment86_34]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment86_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment87_20]黑若车1进1同车1进2。[/DhtmlXQ_comment87_20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment87_27][FEN\u003D4k4/5P3/9/9/4C4/2B6/6P2/7c1/3p1p3/4K4 w - - 15 21]杨明忠版本中的黑胜着法[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment87_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment87_33]更佳,已和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment87_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment88_45]和。黑平1可不变和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment88_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment89_39]不变和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment89_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment90_40]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment90_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment91_41]不变作和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment91_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment92_42]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment92_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment93_43]红已胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment93_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment93_71]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment93_71]
[DhtmlXQ_comment94_34]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment94_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment95_23]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment95_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment96_15]红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment96_15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment97_21]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment97_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment98_15]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment98_15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment99_10]红无杀,黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment99_10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment100_9]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment100_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment101_13]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment101_13]
[DhtmlXQ_comment102_13]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment102_13]
[DhtmlXQ_comment103_7]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment103_7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment104_9]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment104_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment105_12]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment105_12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment105_14]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment105_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment106_8]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment106_8]
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发表于 2018-9-30 15:17:34 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 chouzhouyu 于 2018-9-30 15:39 编辑

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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]原先拆解到第20回合,现接下去拆解。||||现删去所有旁支变化。免得什么地方改动也不知道。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment39]和?||||黑要胜就要从中路进攻,从中路进攻就要先想办法打掉红相。现在这局势黑炮打红相好象还有点机会,之前的18回合红相飞到三路是否较好。[/DhtmlXQ_comment39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment41]只能这样。炮到中间将变成一将一杀了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment57]以下看红兵是否能被打掉。黑炮回中路,黑象飞中。[/DhtmlXQ_comment57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment79]应该已和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment79]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_45]红一将一杀。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_45]
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发表于 2018-9-30 15:43:40 | 显示全部楼层
yjr123提出的那路变化确实为黑胜。看样子红方只能前面想办法变招了。
发表于 2018-9-30 16:20:48 | 显示全部楼层
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0][FEN=3k5/4C4/b2P5/1c7/5P3/6B2/9/9/3p1p3/4K4 w - - 24 22]yjr123诠的一路黑可胜变化(原和)[/FEN]||||黑12回合走炮8退3开始变招。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment24]新变!||||原谱走炮8进3也能复杂。现删去。||||从这局面开始拆解。[/DhtmlXQ_comment24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment27]先动这兵再平四使红炮有机会打卒。[/DhtmlXQ_comment27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment52]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment52]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_35]红还是打卒。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_38]黑不进卒的话只能退炮或走闲。||||进卒后黑只能从红两侧进攻取胜。红炮可长拦。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_69]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_69]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_64]这样黑反而不利。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_64]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_77]红已胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_77]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_37]黑先将军后进卒了,前面红前兵可否先不走(14或15回合),这样红炮这步就有机会打黑卒。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_41]![/DhtmlXQ_comment3_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_44]yjr123提出。||||以下经拆解应为黑胜。红只能前面变招了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_44]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_62]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_62]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_72]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_72]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_74]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_74]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_51]亦可和[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_41]?[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_42]?[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_47]正![/DhtmlXQ_comment7_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_51]这样黑不利![/DhtmlXQ_comment7_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_41]!?[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_42]![/DhtmlXQ_comment8_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_24]原谱着法[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_24]
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发表于 2018-10-2 07:51:54 | 显示全部楼层

这样如何?

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[DhtmlXQ_title]第05局 三气周瑜(该局待拆)[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_result]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_remark]弈聪[/DhtmlXQ_remark]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]原先拆解到第20回合,现接下去拆解。||||现删去所有旁支变化。免得什么地方改动也不知道。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment39]和?||||黑要胜就要从中路进攻,从中路进攻就要先想办法打掉红相。现在这局势黑炮打红相好象还有点机会,之前的18回合红相飞到三路是否较好。[/DhtmlXQ_comment39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment41]只能这样。炮到中间将变成一将一杀了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_57]以下看红兵是否能被打掉。黑炮回中路,黑象飞中。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_79]应该已和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_79]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_45]红一将一杀。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_45]
[DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment44]这样如何?[/DhtmlXQ_comment44]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0][FEN=4k4/9/b5P2/9/9/6P2/p6cC/4B4/4p4/3K5 b - - 3 12]心谱分支处[/FEN]||||[FEN=2b1k4/9/4P4/9/2P6/9/9/4B4/3c1p3/2p1K4 w - - 2 29]心谱认为黑胜着法/心谱第5变红变亦黑胜。[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment24][FEN=9/4P4/3k5/4c4/2b6/2B6/9/9/3Cp4/5K3 w - - 0 33]心谱1本佯和局。[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment27]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment28]红可和。||||还不如第12回合直接炮8进3。此时红炮在黑方卒线的位置要好于在红方兵线的位置。相当于在相似局面中让红方多走了一步。||||[FEN=4k4/9/b5P2/9/9/6P2/p3C4/4B4/5p3/3K3c1 w - - 6 13]相似局面[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29]?[/DhtmlXQ_comment29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment40][FEN=9/4k4/b4P3/5C3/5P3/6B2/9/3p5/6p2/5Kc2 w - - 22 21]相似局面[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment41]可相三退一复杂一点,红方有优势。[/DhtmlXQ_comment41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment44]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment44]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_35]不变作和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_31]可进后兵再平四打卒。帅居中不急。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_33]这步是真正的败着。||||再平兵打卒,与这步先进后兵再平四打卒步数一样。但红炮在卒线再飞相至三路多了一个炮平三打黑7路卒的棋。(平前兵打卒以后是前兵平五挡将才能飞相,被黑象一飞只能又平移,红没机会飞相,走后兵可后兵平五再飞相用相当炮架守三路线)||||[FEN=4k4/5C3/b5P2/9/9/6P2/2p6/4B4/5p3/4K2c1 b - - 13 17]相同局面,黑可胜。[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment2_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_38]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_34]先复制过来。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_58]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_58]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_34]上步走炮四进二时。黑方应以炮8退9取胜。||||现黑方应以同样的招法看一下区别。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_35]上步炮四进二时,这步平四刚好打黑卒,黑只能卒6平7。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_39]与17回合炮四进二时的区别。||||下步黑应以卒3进1时碰到红一将一杀了,待拆解。||这样的话第16回合红只能变招了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_49]红好象是一将一杀了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_40]除此其它也没好招。改走其它,可能只是走子顺序不同而已。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_46]已和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_61]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_61]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_40]和?下未折解略。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_44]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_44]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14_42]||[FEN=4k4/9/b5P2/5C3/5P3/6B2/9/3p5/6p2/5Kc2 w - - 20 20]相似局面[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment14_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14_43]可炮四平三,见相似局面。[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14_55]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_55]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_53]不让黑卒占心,黑要杀只能运炮到红方左侧,这样红胜机会反而大一点。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_62]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_62]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_30]黑若再退炮白走了。不走这步,只能平卒。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_43]走闲着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_51]已和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_89]即可和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_89]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_28]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_72]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_72]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_33]先帅平中再想打法赶卒,黑进卒吃红相还是快了一步。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_40]黑已胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_51]红无子可动。只能动该兵,其它三子没法动。平三也一样。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_62]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_62]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_68]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_68]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_27]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment27_53]双方不变,纷和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment27_53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment27_66]心谱1本佯和局。[/DhtmlXQ_comment27_66]
[DhtmlXQ_comment28_64]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment28_64]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29_51]心谱2变黑变亦佯和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment30_58]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment30_58]
[DhtmlXQ_comment31_27]暂定为和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment31_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment32_24][FEN=2b1k4/9/4P4/9/2P6/9/9/4B4/3c1p3/2p1K4 w - - 2 29]心谱第5变红变亦黑胜。[/FEN]||||[FEN=2b1k4/5P2c/9/3P5/9/9/9/4B4/4K4/9 b - - 6 28]竹谱1本和。[/FEN]||||[FEN=4k4/3P1P3/9/9/2b6/9/3C5/4B4/4p4/3K1p3 w - - 1 31]白周14年版心谱黑胜着法。[/FEN]||||||陈广仁的街头象棋残局中有一则修改局(原谱也认为黑胜),把红三兵前移一步。此时应由黑方先走,则该路变化为黑胜(修改局此时红炮应在一0位,无上一回合的交换,若回到这一位置,相当于下步还是黑走)||||[FEN=4k3C/9/b5P2/9/9/6P2/p8/4B4/4p4/3K3c1 w - - 8 14]附陈广仁三气周下瑜修改局着法。[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment32_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment32_28]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment32_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment32_30]蒋朱裘版本下回合走炮一平五,和。||||14、15回合黑走子顺序可调换一下。[/DhtmlXQ_comment32_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment32_43]走闲着,不到中间将,不让黑象有运转的机会。黑只能退炮。[/DhtmlXQ_comment32_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment32_47]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment32_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment33_43]经yjr提出下步黑可退象后,红兵好象都要被灭。黑可胜。||||||改走炮九平八走闲着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment33_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment33_46]这局势对红不利,红兵都要被打掉。[/DhtmlXQ_comment33_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment33_72]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment33_72]
[DhtmlXQ_comment34_42]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment34_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment39_35]炮一平五出现局面汇总如下:||[FEN=4k4/9/6P2/4P4/2b6/9/1p2C4/4B4/5p3/3K1c3 b - - 13 17]红方走炮一平五局面1[/FEN]||||[FEN=4k4/9/b5P2/9/9/6P2/p3C4/4B4/4p4/3K3c1 b - - 5 13]红方走炮一平五局面2[/FEN]||||[FEN=4k4/9/b5P2/9/4P4/9/1p2C4/4B4/5p3/3K1c3 b - - 11 16]红方走炮一平五局面3[/FEN]||||[FEN=9/4k4/b4P3/6P2/9/9/1p2C4/4B4/4p4/3K1c3 b - - 11 16]红方走炮一平五局面4[/FEN]||||[FEN=4k4/9/b5P2/7c1/9/6P2/p3C4/4B4/4p4/3K5 b - - 5 13]红方走炮一平五局面5[/FEN]||||[FEN=4k4/9/6P2/4P4/2b6/9/2p1C4/4B4/5p3/4Kc3 b - - 15 18]红方走炮一平五局面6[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment39_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment40_33]黑胜。||||该着应该是90年代左右出版的诠注本中的诠正着法,原谱走炮一平六成黑胜。诠正着法后以下通过黑主动兑子成和。10年以后(00年以后再版的还是以和棋为主,朱鹤洲中的江湖排局集成应该是最先诠为黑胜的)黑发现可以把炮移到红方左侧成杀。这应该是该局现被认定为黑胜的原因。||||黑炮在红方底线尽量不要去平中,在一二路线守住黑方的高卒就行,有退炮和拦黑炮的机会。||||该着出现的时机也可能在其它回合, 其原理基本上差不多。||||炮一平五出现局面汇总如下:||[FEN=4k4/9/6P2/4P4/2b6/9/1p2C4/4B4/5p3/3K1c3 b - - 13 17]红方走炮一平五局面1[/FEN]||||[FEN=4k4/9/b5P2/9/9/6P2/p3C4/4B4/4p4/3K3c1 b - - 5 13]红方走炮一平五局面2[/FEN]||||[FEN=4k4/9/b5P2/9/4P4/9/1p2C4/4B4/5p3/3K1c3 b - - 11 16]红方走炮一平五局面3[/FEN]||||[FEN=9/4k4/b4P3/6P2/9/9/1p2C4/4B4/4p4/3K1c3 b - - 11 16]红方走炮一平五局面4[/FEN]||||[FEN=4k4/9/6P2/4P4/2b6/9/2p1C4/4B4/5p3/4Kc3 b - - 15 18]红方走炮一平五局面6[/FEN]||||[FEN=4k4/9/b5P2/7c1/9/6P2/p3C4/4B4/4p4/3K5 b - - 5 13]红方走炮一平五局面5[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment40_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment40_42]此时红炮在1/2路就好了。可直接退炮打卒,往上推第17回合是否有问题?[/DhtmlXQ_comment40_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment40_46]!||||蒋朱裘版本此时走卒4平5兑子(黑飞相略有不同)。[/DhtmlXQ_comment40_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment40_62]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment40_62]
[DhtmlXQ_comment42_60]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment42_60]
[DhtmlXQ_comment51_33]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment51_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment54_31]黑胜。||||[FEN=4k4/9/b5P2/9/4P4/9/1p2C4/4B4/5p3/3K1c3 b - - 11 16]相同局面[/FEN]||||炮一平五出现局面汇总如下:||||[FEN=4k4/9/6P2/4P4/2b6/9/1p2C4/4B4/5p3/3K1c3 b - - 13 17]红方走炮一平五局面1[/FEN]||||[FEN=4k4/9/b5P2/9/9/6P2/p3C4/4B4/4p4/3K3c1 b - - 5 13]红方走炮一平五局面2[/FEN]||||[FEN=4k4/9/b5P2/9/4P4/9/1p2C4/4B4/5p3/3K1c3 b - - 11 16]红方走炮一平五局面3[/FEN]||||[FEN=9/4k4/b4P3/6P2/9/9/1p2C4/4B4/4p4/3K1c3 b - - 11 16]红方走炮一平五局面4[/FEN]||||[FEN=4k4/9/b5P2/7c1/9/6P2/p3C4/4B4/4p4/3K5 b - - 5 13]红方走炮一平五局面5[/FEN]||||[FEN=4k4/9/6P2/4P4/2b6/9/2p1C4/4B4/5p3/4Kc3 b - - 15 18]红方走炮一平五局面6[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment54_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment54_46]诠正着法,黑胜。||||白周版本此时黑变招走该着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment54_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment55_55]和。竹谱一本。[/DhtmlXQ_comment55_55]
[DhtmlXQ_comment57_31]心谱原谱着法。||||[FEN=4k4/9/b5P2/9/4P4/9/1p1C5/4B4/5p3/3K1c3 b - - 11 16]相同局面[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment57_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment58_28]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment58_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment58_31]黑胜。||||[FEN=2b1k4/5P2c/9/3P5/9/9/9/4B4/4K4/9 b - - 6 28]蒋朱裘90年版心谱刊注着法,和。[/FEN]||||||[FEN=4k4/9/b5P2/9/4P4/9/1p2C4/4B4/5p3/3K1c3 b - - 11 16]相同局面[/FEN]||||炮一平五出现局面汇总如下:||||[FEN=4k4/9/6P2/4P4/2b6/9/1p2C4/4B4/5p3/3K1c3 b - - 13 17]红方走炮一平五局面1[/FEN]||||[FEN=4k4/9/b5P2/9/9/6P2/p3C4/4B4/4p4/3K3c1 b - - 5 13]红方走炮一平五局面2[/FEN]||||[FEN=4k4/9/b5P2/9/4P4/9/1p2C4/4B4/5p3/3K1c3 b - - 11 16]红方走炮一平五局面3[/FEN]||||[FEN=9/4k4/b4P3/6P2/9/9/1p2C4/4B4/4p4/3K1c3 b - - 11 16]红方走炮一平五局面4[/FEN]||||[FEN=4k4/9/b5P2/7c1/9/6P2/p3C4/4B4/4p4/3K5 b - - 5 13]红方走炮一平五局面5[/FEN]||||[FEN=4k4/9/6P2/4P4/2b6/9/2p1C4/4B4/5p3/4Kc3 b - - 15 18]红方走炮一平五局面6[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment58_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment58_46]诠正着法,黑胜。||||白周版本此时黑变招走该着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment58_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment59_55]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment59_55]
[DhtmlXQ_comment61_31]败着。||||[FEN=4k4/9/b5P2/9/4P4/9/1p1C5/4B4/5p3/3K1c3 b - - 11 16]相同局面[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment61_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment61_64]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment61_64]
[DhtmlXQ_comment62_58]心谱第5变红变亦黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment62_58]
[DhtmlXQ_comment63_56]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment63_56]
[DhtmlXQ_comment64_52]心谱第4变黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment64_52]
[DhtmlXQ_comment65_54]4、6路同时叫杀,黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment65_54]
[DhtmlXQ_comment66_60]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment66_60]
[DhtmlXQ_comment67_27]黑胜。||||[FEN=9/3k1P3/9/3C5/2b6/9/3p5/4B4/3K1p3/9 b - - 12 26]蒋朱裘90年版心谱刊注着法,和。[/FEN]||||[FEN=4k4/5P3/b8/9/9/6B2/4p4/8C/5p3/3K5 b - - 4 22]竹谱变九,和。[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment67_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment67_31]炮一平五出现局面汇总如下:||||[FEN=4k4/9/6P2/4P4/2b6/9/1p2C4/4B4/5p3/3K1c3 b - - 13 17]红方走炮一平五局面1[/FEN]||||[FEN=4k4/9/b5P2/9/9/6P2/p3C4/4B4/4p4/3K3c1 b - - 5 13]红方走炮一平五局面2[/FEN]||||[FEN=4k4/9/b5P2/9/4P4/9/1p2C4/4B4/5p3/3K1c3 b - - 11 16]红方走炮一平五局面3[/FEN]||||[FEN=9/4k4/b4P3/6P2/9/9/1p2C4/4B4/4p4/3K1c3 b - - 11 16]红方走炮一平五局面4[/FEN]||||[FEN=4k4/9/b5P2/7c1/9/6P2/p3C4/4B4/4p4/3K5 b - - 5 13]红方走炮一平五局面5[/FEN]||||[FEN=4k4/9/6P2/4P4/2b6/9/2p1C4/4B4/5p3/4Kc3 b - - 15 18]红方走炮一平五局面6[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment67_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment67_42]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment67_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment71_70]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment71_70]
[DhtmlXQ_comment75_30]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment75_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment75_46]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment75_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment76_51]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment76_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment77_41]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment77_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment78_43]竹谱变九,和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment78_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment81_26]红胜。||||[FEN=5k3/4P4/b4P3/9/9/9/3p1c3/4B4/4p4/3K5 b - - 3 21]竹谱变八,红胜。[/FEN]||||[FEN=9/4k4/b4P3/9/5P3/9/2p1C4/4B4/4p4/3K3c1 b - - 11 16]竹谱变十一,红胜。[/FEN]||||[FEN=2b2k3/4P4/9/6P2/9/9/1p2C4/4B4/5p3/3K1c3 b - - 15 18]竹谱变十二,红胜。[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment81_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment81_51]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment81_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment82_41]竹谱变八,红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment82_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment83_31]竹谱变十一,红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment83_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment84_35]竹谱变十二,红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment84_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment85_25]黑胜。||||[FEN=4k4/9/b4c3/9/6P2/9/3p5/4B4/5C3/4K4 b - - 1 19]杨明忠03年版心谱刊注着法,和。[/FEN]||||||||炮一平五出现局面汇总如下:||[FEN=4k4/9/6P2/4P4/2b6/9/1p2C4/4B4/5p3/3K1c3 b - - 13 17]红方走炮一平五局面1[/FEN]||||[FEN=4k4/9/b5P2/9/9/6P2/p3C4/4B4/4p4/3K3c1 b - - 5 13]红方走炮一平五局面2[/FEN]||||[FEN=4k4/9/b5P2/9/4P4/9/1p2C4/4B4/5p3/3K1c3 b - - 11 16]红方走炮一平五局面3[/FEN]||||[FEN=9/4k4/b4P3/6P2/9/9/1p2C4/4B4/4p4/3K1c3 b - - 11 16]红方走炮一平五局面4[/FEN]||||[FEN=4k4/9/b5P2/7c1/9/6P2/p3C4/4B4/4p4/3K5 b - - 5 13]红方走炮一平五局面5[/FEN]||||[FEN=4k4/9/6P2/4P4/2b6/9/2p1C4/4B4/5p3/4Kc3 b - - 15 18]红方走炮一平五局面6[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment85_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment85_26]让红多走一步炮五进三即成相似局面。||||[FEN=4k4/9/b5P2/4C4/9/6P2/p8/4B4/5p3/3K3c1 w - - 8 14]相似局面[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment85_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment85_27]?[/DhtmlXQ_comment85_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment85_31][FEN=4k4/5C3/b5P2/9/9/6P2/2p6/4B4/5p3/4K2c1 b - - 13 17]相同局面,黑胜。[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment85_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment85_56]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment85_56]
[DhtmlXQ_comment90_37]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment90_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment92_31]红再回到一二路线,已白白损失步数。||||黑为了防止红兵往中间走,黑宫心卒即使红炮不打,也会移到6路。[/DhtmlXQ_comment92_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment92_35]红相也飞不了。不动兵只能动炮走闲着。后兵能移到中间就好了。往上推应该是第13步炮一平五损失步数了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment92_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment92_39]拦炮就进卒,二头顾不了。走其它闲着黑炮也平中将。[/DhtmlXQ_comment92_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment92_56]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment92_56]
[DhtmlXQ_comment93_28]陈广仁把三气周瑜的红后兵前移一步,形成该局面。[/DhtmlXQ_comment93_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment93_44]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment93_44]
[DhtmlXQ_comment94_46]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment94_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment95_46]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment95_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment96_62]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment96_62]
[DhtmlXQ_comment97_31]进后兵挡中路来不及。只能平中炮。这是与三气周瑜原局的区别。[/DhtmlXQ_comment97_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment97_72]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment97_72]
[DhtmlXQ_comment98_36]黑下步即杀,飞相来不及。[/DhtmlXQ_comment98_36]
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yjr123提出的着法很尖锐,使我看到红两兵无法保住。先提出一些想法,一下子不好拆解,留后再拆。

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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]原先拆解到第20回合,现接下去拆解。||||现删去所有旁支变化。免得什么地方改动也不知道。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment39]和?好象黑可胜了。||||黑要胜就要从中路进攻,从中路进攻就要先想办法打掉红相。现在这局势黑炮打红相好象还有点机会,之前的18回合红相飞到三路是否较好。||||再注:该局面黑将再进一步后,红两兵好象都要被黑炮打掉,红炮退二守住不让黑卒再进形成二鬼拍门,已无法动了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment41]只能这样。炮到中间将变成一将一杀了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment44]这样如何?||||此时局面红前兵若再退后一步,要平在四路才有用(黑炮在6路无法平)。第19回合红无法变招,||||||另一思路是红后兵不进,用炮想办法把黑6路赶到7路线,看很否守住。[/DhtmlXQ_comment44]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_57]以下看红兵是否能被打掉。黑炮回中路,黑象飞中。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_79]应该已和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_79]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_45]红一将一杀。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_45]
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发表于 2018-10-2 12:43:02 | 显示全部楼层
搞不好这局还真是黑胜。这局和鸿雁局相比。黑多了一个象,红少了一个相,红防守难度比鸿雁局大多了。
 楼主| 发表于 2018-10-2 14:20:21 | 显示全部楼层
所以蔣朱裘三人詮注本的和法也不正確了

太複雜看得眼花撩亂

期待最終有高人整理出雙方最正確的走法與結論
 楼主| 发表于 2018-10-2 14:41:19 | 显示全部楼层
淵深海闊的三氣周瑜多邊相
和法精彩
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[DhtmlXQ_comment48]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment48]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_38]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_40]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_46]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_44]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_44]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_31]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_46]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_33]红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_33]
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发表于 2018-10-2 17:16:06 | 显示全部楼层
渊谱的增相局至残局真可以说是鸿雁局了。子力和鸿雁局一模一样了。
发表于 2018-10-2 17:24:34 | 显示全部楼层
聨吟客 发表于 2018-10-2 14:41
淵深海闊的三氣周瑜多邊相
和法精彩

这样有棋吗?

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[DhtmlXQ_comment8_48]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_48]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_38]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_40]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_46]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_44]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_44]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_31]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_46]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_33]红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22]这样有棋吗?[/DhtmlXQ_comment22]
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发表于 2018-10-2 18:52:47 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 chouzhouyu 于 2018-10-2 19:06 编辑

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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]删去所有旁支变化,最后会发一个汇总贴。||||暂发论坛,还未详细拆解。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment37]原先是作为和局先放这里的。下面未再续走下去。||||[FEN=4k4/6P2/9/4P4/2b6/2B6/C8/3p5/5p3/4Kc3 b - - 19 20]基于原先拆解结果黑胜想到这个局面[/FEN],目的是下步马上退炮至帅前再看机会平至八二位或九二位,防止黑方的二鬼拍门。[/DhtmlXQ_comment37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment39]从这里开始细拆解。或从第14回合开始,看黑能否变招。[/DhtmlXQ_comment39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment40]这步若卒6平5,应该马上和。未拆解。||||早先的诠注本和法和先前拆解的和法都是黑卒换红炮,最后守和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment41]这局面红能否走成?||这局面红能否守和?[/DhtmlXQ_comment41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_35]弈聪注:守和的关键点,不过这步飞相也可以等以后走。只要黑卒走到红士角位置前能有机会飞相,红炮可退到二路打卒就可。其余可用炮走闲着,或用炮拦黑炮。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_39]和?好象黑可胜了。||||黑要胜就要从中路进攻,从中路进攻就要先想办法打掉红相。现在这局势黑炮打红相好象还有点机会,之前的18回合红相飞到三路是否较好。||||再注:该局面黑将再进一步后,红两兵好象都要被黑炮打掉,红炮退二守住不让黑卒再进形成二鬼拍门,已无法动了。||||分析:此时红前兵若再退后一步(19步红可不进兵,其它局面也很容易解决)?红炮若已在二路线呢?两种办法解决:1、红炮通过黑方卒线平移。往上推第16步变招一下。||[FEN=2b2k3/9/6P2/4P4/9/2B6/2p1C4/9/5p3/4Kc3 b - - 17 19]2、第16回合红还是炮一平五将,之后飞相再退炮至帅前。[/FEN]||||||黑卒4进1走到红士角位,红要马上动炮至二路线才有用。现在要先平炮再退炮,慢了一步。之前先平到这边。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_41]只能这样。炮到中间将变成一将一杀了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_43]走闲着,先不到中间将,让黑退炮后再到中间将不让黑象有运转的机会。黑只能退炮。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_56]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_56]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_47]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_43]经yjr提出下步黑可退象后,我才发现红兵好象都要被灭。黑可胜。||||||改走炮九平八走闲着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_44]这样如何?||||此时局面红前兵若再退后一步,要平在四路才有用(黑炮在6路无法平)。第19回合红无法变招,||||||另一思路是红后兵不进,用炮想办法把黑6路赶到7路线,看很否守住。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_44]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_46]这局势对红不利,红兵都要被打掉。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_72]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_72]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_50]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_57]以下看红兵是否能被打掉。黑炮回中路,黑象飞中。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_79]应该已和。||||这样成和的话我觉得该变应该算最复杂的,可列为主变。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_79]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_45]红一将一杀。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_42]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_28]黑胜?[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_37]和?形成相同局面[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_37]
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发表于 2018-10-2 19:14:25 | 显示全部楼层
上面所发应该可以和了。
发表于 2018-10-2 19:20:27 | 显示全部楼层
红炮已走到最佳位,动炮走闲即可。
 楼主| 发表于 2018-10-2 19:38:09 | 显示全部楼层
淵譜的局面被某些包括竹譜詮注本當修改局

都沒有提到先平卒這一步

我還未研究

有請ch  先生也 研究研究
发表于 2018-10-3 00:43:39 | 显示全部楼层
渊谱最后残局应该是红主动一点。卒1平2感觉最终还是和棋。
发表于 2018-10-3 00:57:25 | 显示全部楼层
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]分类:双车单炮类||竹谱三20局山气横秋,神妙34局十八临潼,心谱74局钩衡驾马,渊谱25局三气周瑜,百局5局三气周瑜.||||注解合并:||上局“三气周瑜”局,演变结果成为黑胜。如于红方一.三位加一红相,成为本图棋势,那就是《渊深海阔象棋谱》第25局“三气周瑜”,结果可以弈成和局[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22]这样有棋吗?[/DhtmlXQ_comment22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment24]目的是弃炮后两卒能不能杀。||||不弃炮可以退其它地方较好一点。[/DhtmlXQ_comment24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment26]弃炮两个卒红一个炮可守住。||||黑不弃炮前面就要变招。[/DhtmlXQ_comment26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_25]红走到这步,红炮随时可以在兵前把黑卒赶走。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_26]不变作和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_31]红不利,黑要负。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_24]和原先主变差不别,只是次序改一下。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_25]同主变。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_48]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_48]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_40]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_46]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_33]红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_33]红方胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_34]红方无法形成“双鬼拍门”的入局棋形,和局[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_46]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_44]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_44]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14_59]和.[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_59]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_30]平炮塞相眼,获胜要着[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_46]黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_42]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_52]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_52]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_50]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_39]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_27]双方不变作和[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_31]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22_19]从结尾看好象是黑胜,少一相的三气周瑜该变为和,这路变化也应该和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment22_19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22_38]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment22_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22_40]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment22_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment27_30]黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment27_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment28_23]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment28_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29_21]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment34_13]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment34_13]
[DhtmlXQ_comment35_11]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment35_11]
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 楼主| 发表于 2018-10-3 05:21:12 | 显示全部楼层
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]删去所有旁支变化,最后会发一个汇总贴。||||暂发论坛,还未详细拆解。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment37]原先是作为和局先放这里的。下面未再续走下去。||||[FEN\u003D4k4/6P2/9/4P4/2b6/2B6/C8/3p5/5p3/4Kc3 b - - 19 20]基于原先拆解结果黑胜想到这个局面[/FEN],目的是下步马上退炮至帅前再看机会平至八二位或九二位,防止黑方的二鬼拍门。[/DhtmlXQ_comment37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment39]从这里开始细拆解。或从第14回合开始,看黑能否变招。[/DhtmlXQ_comment39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment40]这步若卒6平5,应该马上和。未拆解。||||早先的诠注本和法和先前拆解的和法都是黑卒换红炮,最后守和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment41]这局面红能否走成?||这局面红能否守和?[/DhtmlXQ_comment41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_35]弈聪注:守和的关键点,不过这步飞相也可以等以后走。只要黑卒走到红士角位置前能有机会飞相,红炮可退到二路打卒就可。其余可用炮走闲着,或用炮拦黑炮。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_39]和?好象黑可胜了。||||黑要胜就要从中路进攻,从中路进攻就要先想办法打掉红相。现在这局势黑炮打红相好象还有点机会,之前的18回合红相飞到三路是否较好。||||再注:该局面黑将再进一步后,红两兵好象都要被黑炮打掉,红炮退二守住不让黑卒再进形成二鬼拍门,已无法动了。||||分析:此时红前兵若再退后一步(19步红可不进兵,其它局面也很容易解决)?红炮若已在二路线呢?两种办法解决:1、红炮通过黑方卒线平移。往上推第16步变招一下。||[FEN\u003D2b2k3/9/6P2/4P4/9/2B6/2p1C4/9/5p3/4Kc3 b - - 17 19]2、第16回合红还是炮一平五将,之后飞相再退炮至帅前。[/FEN]||||||黑卒4进1走到红士角位,红要马上动炮至二路线才有用。现在要先平炮再退炮,慢了一步。之前先平到这边。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_41]只能这样。炮到中间将变成一将一杀了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_43]走闲着,先不到中间将,让黑退炮后再到中间将不让黑象有运转的机会。黑只能退炮。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_56]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_56]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_47]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_43]经yjr提出下步黑可退象后,我才发现红兵好象都要被灭。黑可胜。||||||改走炮九平八走闲着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_44]这样如何?||||此时局面红前兵若再退后一步,要平在四路才有用(黑炮在6路无法平)。第19回合红无法变招,||||||另一思路是红后兵不进,用炮想办法把黑6路赶到7路线,看很否守住。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_44]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_46]这局势对红不利,红兵都要被打掉。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_72]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_72]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_50]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_57]以下看红兵是否能被打掉。黑炮回中路,黑象飞中。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_79]应该已和。||||这样成和的话我觉得该变应该算最复杂的,可列为主变。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_79]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_45]红一将一杀。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_42]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_28]黑胜?[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_37]和?形成相同局面[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_37]
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发表于 2018-10-3 09:13:58 | 显示全部楼层

第25回合红应炮八平五仍和,第21回合黑炮6平9,如红仍然用炮走闲着则负。
 楼主| 发表于 2018-10-3 12:01:56 | 显示全部楼层

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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]删去所有旁支变化,最后会发一个汇总贴。||||暂发论坛,还未详细拆解。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment37]原先是作为和局先放这里的。下面未再续走下去。||||[FEN\u003D4k4/6P2/9/4P4/2b6/2B6/C8/3p5/5p3/4Kc3 b - - 19 20]基于原先拆解结果黑胜想到这个局面[/FEN],目的是下步马上退炮至帅前再看机会平至八二位或九二位,防止黑方的二鬼拍门。[/DhtmlXQ_comment37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment39]从这里开始细拆解。或从第14回合开始,看黑能否变招。[/DhtmlXQ_comment39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment40]这步若卒6平5,应该马上和。未拆解。||||早先的诠注本和法和先前拆解的和法都是黑卒换红炮,最后守和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment41]这局面红能否走成?||这局面红能否守和?[/DhtmlXQ_comment41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_35]弈聪注:守和的关键点,不过这步飞相也可以等以后走。只要黑卒走到红士角位置前能有机会飞相,红炮可退到二路打卒就可。其余可用炮走闲着,或用炮拦黑炮。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_39]和?好象黑可胜了。||||黑要胜就要从中路进攻,从中路进攻就要先想办法打掉红相。现在这局势黑炮打红相好象还有点机会,之前的18回合红相飞到三路是否较好。||||再注:该局面黑将再进一步后,红两兵好象都要被黑炮打掉,红炮退二守住不让黑卒再进形成二鬼拍门,已无法动了。||||分析:此时红前兵若再退后一步(19步红可不进兵,其它局面也很容易解决)?红炮若已在二路线呢?两种办法解决:1、红炮通过黑方卒线平移。往上推第16步变招一下。||[FEN\u003D2b2k3/9/6P2/4P4/9/2B6/2p1C4/9/5p3/4Kc3 b - - 17 19]2、第16回合红还是炮一平五将,之后飞相再退炮至帅前。[/FEN]||||||黑卒4进1走到红士角位,红要马上动炮至二路线才有用。现在要先平炮再退炮,慢了一步。之前先平到这边。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_41]只能这样。炮到中间将变成一将一杀了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_43]走闲着,先不到中间将,让黑退炮后再到中间将不让黑象有运转的机会。黑只能退炮。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_56]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_56]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_47]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_43]经yjr提出下步黑可退象后,我才发现红兵好象都要被灭。黑可胜。||||||改走炮九平八走闲着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_44]这样如何?||||此时局面红前兵若再退后一步,要平在四路才有用(黑炮在6路无法平)。第19回合红无法变招,||||||另一思路是红后兵不进,用炮想办法把黑6路赶到7路线,看很否守住。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_44]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_46]这局势对红不利,红兵都要被打掉。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_72]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_72]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_50]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_57]以下看红兵是否能被打掉。黑炮回中路,黑象飞中。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_79]应该已和。||||这样成和的话我觉得该变应该算最复杂的,可列为主变。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_79]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_45]红一将一杀。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_42]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_28]黑胜?[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_37]和?形成相同局面[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_37]
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 楼主| 发表于 2018-10-3 12:07:26 | 显示全部楼层
17回合進象如何
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]删去所有旁支变化,最后会发一个汇总贴。||||暂发论坛,还未详细拆解。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_37]原先是作为和局先放这里的。下面未再续走下去。||||[FEN\u003D4k4/6P2/9/4P4/2b6/2B6/C8/3p5/5p3/4Kc3 b - - 19 20]基于原先拆解结果黑胜想到这个局面[/FEN],目的是下步马上退炮至帅前再看机会平至八二位或九二位,防止黑方的二鬼拍门。[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_39]从这里开始细拆解。或从第14回合开始,看黑能否变招。[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_40]这步若卒6平5,应该马上和。未拆解。||||早先的诠注本和法和先前拆解的和法都是黑卒换红炮,最后守和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_41]这局面红能否走成?||这局面红能否守和?[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_35]弈聪注:守和的关键点,不过这步飞相也可以等以后走。只要黑卒走到红士角位置前能有机会飞相,红炮可退到二路打卒就可。其余可用炮走闲着,或用炮拦黑炮。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_39]和?好象黑可胜了。||||黑要胜就要从中路进攻,从中路进攻就要先想办法打掉红相。现在这局势黑炮打红相好象还有点机会,之前的18回合红相飞到三路是否较好。||||再注:该局面黑将再进一步后,红两兵好象都要被黑炮打掉,红炮退二守住不让黑卒再进形成二鬼拍门,已无法动了。||||分析:此时红前兵若再退后一步(19步红可不进兵,其它局面也很容易解决)?红炮若已在二路线呢?两种办法解决:1、红炮通过黑方卒线平移。往上推第16步变招一下。||[FEN\u003D2b2k3/9/6P2/4P4/9/2B6/2p1C4/9/5p3/4Kc3 b - - 17 19]2、第16回合红还是炮一平五将,之后飞相再退炮至帅前。[/FEN]||||||黑卒4进1走到红士角位,红要马上动炮至二路线才有用。现在要先平炮再退炮,慢了一步。之前先平到这边。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_41]只能这样。炮到中间将变成一将一杀了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_43]走闲着,先不到中间将,让黑退炮后再到中间将不让黑象有运转的机会。黑只能退炮。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_56]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_56]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_47]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_43]经yjr提出下步黑可退象后,我才发现红兵好象都要被灭。黑可胜。||||||改走炮九平八走闲着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_44]这样如何?||||此时局面红前兵若再退后一步,要平在四路才有用(黑炮在6路无法平)。第19回合红无法变招,||||||另一思路是红后兵不进,用炮想办法把黑6路赶到7路线,看很否守住。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_44]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_46]这局势对红不利,红兵都要被打掉。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_72]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_72]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_50]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_57]以下看红兵是否能被打掉。黑炮回中路,黑象飞中。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_79]应该已和。||||这样成和的话我觉得该变应该算最复杂的,可列为主变。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_79]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_45]红一将一杀。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_42]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_28]黑胜?[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_37]和?形成相同局面[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_37]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment19_64]||和[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_64]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_49]||還原[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment34] 有不同變化否[/DhtmlXQ_comment34]
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 楼主| 发表于 2018-10-3 12:14:24 | 显示全部楼层
仍黑勝?
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]删去所有旁支变化,最后会发一个汇总贴。||||暂发论坛,还未详细拆解。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment37]原先是作为和局先放这里的。下面未再续走下去。||||[FEN\u003D4k4/6P2/9/4P4/2b6/2B6/C8/3p5/5p3/4Kc3 b - - 19 20]基于原先拆解结果黑胜想到这个局面[/FEN],目的是下步马上退炮至帅前再看机会平至八二位或九二位,防止黑方的二鬼拍门。[/DhtmlXQ_comment37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment39]从这里开始细拆解。或从第14回合开始,看黑能否变招。[/DhtmlXQ_comment39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment40]这步若卒6平5,应该马上和。未拆解。||||早先的诠注本和法和先前拆解的和法都是黑卒换红炮,最后守和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment41]这局面红能否走成?||这局面红能否守和?[/DhtmlXQ_comment41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_35]弈聪注:守和的关键点,不过这步飞相也可以等以后走。只要黑卒走到红士角位置前能有机会飞相,红炮可退到二路打卒就可。其余可用炮走闲着,或用炮拦黑炮。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_39]和?好象黑可胜了。||||黑要胜就要从中路进攻,从中路进攻就要先想办法打掉红相。现在这局势黑炮打红相好象还有点机会,之前的18回合红相飞到三路是否较好。||||再注:该局面黑将再进一步后,红两兵好象都要被黑炮打掉,红炮退二守住不让黑卒再进形成二鬼拍门,已无法动了。||||分析:此时红前兵若再退后一步(19步红可不进兵,其它局面也很容易解决)?红炮若已在二路线呢?两种办法解决:1、红炮通过黑方卒线平移。往上推第16步变招一下。||[FEN\u003D2b2k3/9/6P2/4P4/9/2B6/2p1C4/9/5p3/4Kc3 b - - 17 19]2、第16回合红还是炮一平五将,之后飞相再退炮至帅前。[/FEN]||||||黑卒4进1走到红士角位,红要马上动炮至二路线才有用。现在要先平炮再退炮,慢了一步。之前先平到这边。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_41]只能这样。炮到中间将变成一将一杀了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_43]走闲着,先不到中间将,让黑退炮后再到中间将不让黑象有运转的机会。黑只能退炮。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_56]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_56]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_47]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_43]经yjr提出下步黑可退象后,我才发现红兵好象都要被灭。黑可胜。||||||改走炮九平八走闲着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_44]这样如何?||||此时局面红前兵若再退后一步,要平在四路才有用(黑炮在6路无法平)。第19回合红无法变招,||||||另一思路是红后兵不进,用炮想办法把黑6路赶到7路线,看很否守住。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_44]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_46]这局势对红不利,红兵都要被打掉。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_72]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_72]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_50]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_57]以下看红兵是否能被打掉。黑炮回中路,黑象飞中。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_79]应该已和。||||这样成和的话我觉得该变应该算最复杂的,可列为主变。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_79]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_45]红一将一杀。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_42]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_28]黑胜?[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_37]和?形成相同局面[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_37]
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 楼主| 发表于 2018-10-3 12:22:01 | 显示全部楼层
可能要在23或24回合提前炮平五?

另17回合黑進象又有何異 呢?

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