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蔣權朱鶴洲裘望禹百局譜詮注本的走法

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[DhtmlXQ_comment50]||和局[/DhtmlXQ_comment50]
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感覺還有很多變化待挖掘

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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_50]||和局[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_50]
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這樣如何?

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[DhtmlXQ_comment24]好像是李浭先生詮注本走法\u003F[/DhtmlXQ_comment24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_38]和局[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment36]||為什麼不這樣黑仍占優呢\u003F紅不容易和\u003F[/DhtmlXQ_comment36]
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云庫走法很深奧有點像鴻雁雙飛

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[DhtmlXQ_comment24]好像是李浭先生詮注本走法\u003F[/DhtmlXQ_comment24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_38]和局[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_36]||為什麼不這樣黑仍占優呢\u003F紅不容易和\u003F[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25]云庫走法[/DhtmlXQ_comment25][DhtmlXQ_comment59]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment59]
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所以蔣朱裘三人詮注本的和法也不正確了

太複雜看得眼花撩亂

期待最終有高人整理出雙方最正確的走法與結論

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淵深海闊的三氣周瑜多邊相
和法精彩
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[DhtmlXQ_class]象棋棋谱大全-古谱残局[/DhtmlXQ_class]
[DhtmlXQ_event]渊深海阔[/DhtmlXQ_event]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment48]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment48]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_38]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_40]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_46]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_44]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_44]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_31]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_46]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_33]红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_33]
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淵譜的局面被某些包括竹譜詮注本當修改局

都沒有提到先平卒這一步

我還未研究

有請ch  先生也 研究研究

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chouzhouyu 发表于 2018-10-2 18:52

好像還有問題?
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]删去所有旁支变化，最后会发一个汇总贴。||||暂发论坛，还未详细拆解。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment37]原先是作为和局先放这里的。下面未再续走下去。||||[FEN\u003D4k4/6P2/9/4P4/2b6/2B6/C8/3p5/5p3/4Kc3 b - - 19 20]基于原先拆解结果黑胜想到这个局面[/FEN]，目的是下步马上退炮至帅前再看机会平至八二位或九二位，防止黑方的二鬼拍门。[/DhtmlXQ_comment37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment39]从这里开始细拆解。或从第14回合开始，看黑能否变招。[/DhtmlXQ_comment39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment40]这步若卒6平5，应该马上和。未拆解。||||早先的诠注本和法和先前拆解的和法都是黑卒换红炮，最后守和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment41]这局面红能否走成？||这局面红能否守和？[/DhtmlXQ_comment41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_35]弈聪注：守和的关键点，不过这步飞相也可以等以后走。只要黑卒走到红士角位置前能有机会飞相，红炮可退到二路打卒就可。其余可用炮走闲着，或用炮拦黑炮。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_39]和？好象黑可胜了。||||黑要胜就要从中路进攻，从中路进攻就要先想办法打掉红相。现在这局势黑炮打红相好象还有点机会，之前的18回合红相飞到三路是否较好。||||再注：该局面黑将再进一步后，红两兵好象都要被黑炮打掉，红炮退二守住不让黑卒再进形成二鬼拍门，已无法动了。||||分析：此时红前兵若再退后一步（19步红可不进兵，其它局面也很容易解决）？红炮若已在二路线呢？两种办法解决：1、红炮通过黑方卒线平移。往上推第16步变招一下。||[FEN\u003D2b2k3/9/6P2/4P4/9/2B6/2p1C4/9/5p3/4Kc3 b - - 17 19]2、第16回合红还是炮一平五将，之后飞相再退炮至帅前。[/FEN]||||||黑卒4进1走到红士角位，红要马上动炮至二路线才有用。现在要先平炮再退炮，慢了一步。之前先平到这边。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_41]只能这样。炮到中间将变成一将一杀了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_43]走闲着，先不到中间将，让黑退炮后再到中间将不让黑象有运转的机会。黑只能退炮。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_56]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_56]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_47]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_43]经yjr提出下步黑可退象后，我才发现红兵好象都要被灭。黑可胜。||||||改走炮九平八走闲着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_44]这样如何？||||此时局面红前兵若再退后一步，要平在四路才有用（黑炮在6路无法平）。第19回合红无法变招，||||||另一思路是红后兵不进，用炮想办法把黑6路赶到7路线，看很否守住。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_44]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_46]这局势对红不利，红兵都要被打掉。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_72]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_72]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_50]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_57]以下看红兵是否能被打掉。黑炮回中路，黑象飞中。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_79]应该已和。||||这样成和的话我觉得该变应该算最复杂的，可列为主变。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_79]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_45]红一将一杀。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_42]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_28]黑胜？[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_37]和？形成相同局面[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_37]
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嗯
補充
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]删去所有旁支变化，最后会发一个汇总贴。||||暂发论坛，还未详细拆解。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment37]原先是作为和局先放这里的。下面未再续走下去。||||[FEN\u003D4k4/6P2/9/4P4/2b6/2B6/C8/3p5/5p3/4Kc3 b - - 19 20]基于原先拆解结果黑胜想到这个局面[/FEN]，目的是下步马上退炮至帅前再看机会平至八二位或九二位，防止黑方的二鬼拍门。[/DhtmlXQ_comment37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment39]从这里开始细拆解。或从第14回合开始，看黑能否变招。[/DhtmlXQ_comment39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment40]这步若卒6平5，应该马上和。未拆解。||||早先的诠注本和法和先前拆解的和法都是黑卒换红炮，最后守和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment41]这局面红能否走成？||这局面红能否守和？[/DhtmlXQ_comment41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_35]弈聪注：守和的关键点，不过这步飞相也可以等以后走。只要黑卒走到红士角位置前能有机会飞相，红炮可退到二路打卒就可。其余可用炮走闲着，或用炮拦黑炮。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_39]和？好象黑可胜了。||||黑要胜就要从中路进攻，从中路进攻就要先想办法打掉红相。现在这局势黑炮打红相好象还有点机会，之前的18回合红相飞到三路是否较好。||||再注：该局面黑将再进一步后，红两兵好象都要被黑炮打掉，红炮退二守住不让黑卒再进形成二鬼拍门，已无法动了。||||分析：此时红前兵若再退后一步（19步红可不进兵，其它局面也很容易解决）？红炮若已在二路线呢？两种办法解决：1、红炮通过黑方卒线平移。往上推第16步变招一下。||[FEN\u003D2b2k3/9/6P2/4P4/9/2B6/2p1C4/9/5p3/4Kc3 b - - 17 19]2、第16回合红还是炮一平五将，之后飞相再退炮至帅前。[/FEN]||||||黑卒4进1走到红士角位，红要马上动炮至二路线才有用。现在要先平炮再退炮，慢了一步。之前先平到这边。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_41]只能这样。炮到中间将变成一将一杀了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_43]走闲着，先不到中间将，让黑退炮后再到中间将不让黑象有运转的机会。黑只能退炮。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_56]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_56]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_47]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_43]经yjr提出下步黑可退象后，我才发现红兵好象都要被灭。黑可胜。||||||改走炮九平八走闲着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_44]这样如何？||||此时局面红前兵若再退后一步，要平在四路才有用（黑炮在6路无法平）。第19回合红无法变招，||||||另一思路是红后兵不进，用炮想办法把黑6路赶到7路线，看很否守住。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_44]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_46]这局势对红不利，红兵都要被打掉。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_72]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_72]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_50]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_57]以下看红兵是否能被打掉。黑炮回中路，黑象飞中。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_79]应该已和。||||这样成和的话我觉得该变应该算最复杂的，可列为主变。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_79]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_45]红一将一杀。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_42]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_28]黑胜？[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_37]和？形成相同局面[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_37]
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[DhtmlXQ_result]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_result]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]删去所有旁支变化，最后会发一个汇总贴。||||暂发论坛，还未详细拆解。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_37]原先是作为和局先放这里的。下面未再续走下去。||||[FEN\u003D4k4/6P2/9/4P4/2b6/2B6/C8/3p5/5p3/4Kc3 b - - 19 20]基于原先拆解结果黑胜想到这个局面[/FEN]，目的是下步马上退炮至帅前再看机会平至八二位或九二位，防止黑方的二鬼拍门。[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_39]从这里开始细拆解。或从第14回合开始，看黑能否变招。[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_40]这步若卒6平5，应该马上和。未拆解。||||早先的诠注本和法和先前拆解的和法都是黑卒换红炮，最后守和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_41]这局面红能否走成？||这局面红能否守和？[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_35]弈聪注：守和的关键点，不过这步飞相也可以等以后走。只要黑卒走到红士角位置前能有机会飞相，红炮可退到二路打卒就可。其余可用炮走闲着，或用炮拦黑炮。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_39]和？好象黑可胜了。||||黑要胜就要从中路进攻，从中路进攻就要先想办法打掉红相。现在这局势黑炮打红相好象还有点机会，之前的18回合红相飞到三路是否较好。||||再注：该局面黑将再进一步后，红两兵好象都要被黑炮打掉，红炮退二守住不让黑卒再进形成二鬼拍门，已无法动了。||||分析：此时红前兵若再退后一步（19步红可不进兵，其它局面也很容易解决）？红炮若已在二路线呢？两种办法解决：1、红炮通过黑方卒线平移。往上推第16步变招一下。||[FEN\u003D2b2k3/9/6P2/4P4/9/2B6/2p1C4/9/5p3/4Kc3 b - - 17 19]2、第16回合红还是炮一平五将，之后飞相再退炮至帅前。[/FEN]||||||黑卒4进1走到红士角位，红要马上动炮至二路线才有用。现在要先平炮再退炮，慢了一步。之前先平到这边。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_41]只能这样。炮到中间将变成一将一杀了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_43]走闲着，先不到中间将，让黑退炮后再到中间将不让黑象有运转的机会。黑只能退炮。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_56]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_56]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_47]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_43]经yjr提出下步黑可退象后，我才发现红兵好象都要被灭。黑可胜。||||||改走炮九平八走闲着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_44]这样如何？||||此时局面红前兵若再退后一步，要平在四路才有用（黑炮在6路无法平）。第19回合红无法变招，||||||另一思路是红后兵不进，用炮想办法把黑6路赶到7路线，看很否守住。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_44]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_46]这局势对红不利，红兵都要被打掉。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_72]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_72]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_50]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_57]以下看红兵是否能被打掉。黑炮回中路，黑象飞中。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_79]应该已和。||||这样成和的话我觉得该变应该算最复杂的，可列为主变。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_79]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_45]红一将一杀。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_42]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_28]黑胜？[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_37]和？形成相同局面[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_37]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment19_64]||和[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_64]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_49]||還原[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment34] 有不同變化否[/DhtmlXQ_comment34]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]删去所有旁支变化，最后会发一个汇总贴。||||暂发论坛，还未详细拆解。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment37]原先是作为和局先放这里的。下面未再续走下去。||||[FEN\u003D4k4/6P2/9/4P4/2b6/2B6/C8/3p5/5p3/4Kc3 b - - 19 20]基于原先拆解结果黑胜想到这个局面[/FEN]，目的是下步马上退炮至帅前再看机会平至八二位或九二位，防止黑方的二鬼拍门。[/DhtmlXQ_comment37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment39]从这里开始细拆解。或从第14回合开始，看黑能否变招。[/DhtmlXQ_comment39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment40]这步若卒6平5，应该马上和。未拆解。||||早先的诠注本和法和先前拆解的和法都是黑卒换红炮，最后守和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment41]这局面红能否走成？||这局面红能否守和？[/DhtmlXQ_comment41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_35]弈聪注：守和的关键点，不过这步飞相也可以等以后走。只要黑卒走到红士角位置前能有机会飞相，红炮可退到二路打卒就可。其余可用炮走闲着，或用炮拦黑炮。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_39]和？好象黑可胜了。||||黑要胜就要从中路进攻，从中路进攻就要先想办法打掉红相。现在这局势黑炮打红相好象还有点机会，之前的18回合红相飞到三路是否较好。||||再注：该局面黑将再进一步后，红两兵好象都要被黑炮打掉，红炮退二守住不让黑卒再进形成二鬼拍门，已无法动了。||||分析：此时红前兵若再退后一步（19步红可不进兵，其它局面也很容易解决）？红炮若已在二路线呢？两种办法解决：1、红炮通过黑方卒线平移。往上推第16步变招一下。||[FEN\u003D2b2k3/9/6P2/4P4/9/2B6/2p1C4/9/5p3/4Kc3 b - - 17 19]2、第16回合红还是炮一平五将，之后飞相再退炮至帅前。[/FEN]||||||黑卒4进1走到红士角位，红要马上动炮至二路线才有用。现在要先平炮再退炮，慢了一步。之前先平到这边。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_41]只能这样。炮到中间将变成一将一杀了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_43]走闲着，先不到中间将，让黑退炮后再到中间将不让黑象有运转的机会。黑只能退炮。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_56]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_56]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_47]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_43]经yjr提出下步黑可退象后，我才发现红兵好象都要被灭。黑可胜。||||||改走炮九平八走闲着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_44]这样如何？||||此时局面红前兵若再退后一步，要平在四路才有用（黑炮在6路无法平）。第19回合红无法变招，||||||另一思路是红后兵不进，用炮想办法把黑6路赶到7路线，看很否守住。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_44]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_46]这局势对红不利，红兵都要被打掉。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_72]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_72]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_50]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_57]以下看红兵是否能被打掉。黑炮回中路，黑象飞中。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_79]应该已和。||||这样成和的话我觉得该变应该算最复杂的，可列为主变。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_79]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_45]红一将一杀。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_42]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_28]黑胜？[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_37]和？形成相同局面[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_37]
[DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment12_49]||還原[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_49]
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聨吟客

可能要在23或24回合提前炮平五?

另17回合黑進象又有何異 呢?

太複雜

聨吟客

51樓22回合黑方大漏

聨吟客

這樣可否?
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]删去所有旁支变化，最后会发一个汇总贴。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment34]有不同變化否||||黑象当炮架，黑炮可打红相。红相以后会飞至七路，除此飞上或飞下无多大关系，防止黑卒走中象位。可能略有不同。现拆解另一路是否可和再拆解该路不迟。||||||[FEN\u003D5k3/9/6P2/4P4/2b6/9/1p2C4/4B4/5p3/3K1c3 w - - 14 17]相同局面[/FEN]||||||该局面有相同局面，开始未加注意。原先根据各诠注本录入作为黑胜。根据论友提醒，可能略有不同。后面走炮五退二再平炮五平九的是我后来想到了，在相同局面中还未有。先复制各诠注本的着法过来拆解参考。[/DhtmlXQ_comment34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_35]？黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_39]？可否平移。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_41]之前飞相的话这步黑卒走下来后能有机会平炮打卒。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_42]此时红炮在1/2路就好了。可直接退炮打卒，往上推第17回合是否有问题？[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_45][FEN\u003D5k3/6P2/9/5P3/2b6/4C4/9/4B4/3p1p3/4K2c1 b - - 25 23]相同局面[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment1_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_46]！||||蒋朱裘版本此时走卒4平5兑子（黑飞相略有不同）。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_62]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_62]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_62]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_62]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_60]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_60]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_64]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_64]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_62]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_62]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_69]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_69]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_49]红一将一杀，必须变着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_58]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_58]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_45]下同主变。||||[FEN\u003D5k3/6P2/9/5P3/2b6/4C4/9/4B4/3p1p3/4K2c1 b - - 25 23]相同局面[/FEN]||||以下再复制。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_46]！||||蒋朱裘版本此时走卒4平5兑子（黑飞相略有不同）。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_62]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_62]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_62]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_62]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_60]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_60]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_64]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_64]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_62]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_62]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_37]原先是作为和局先放这里的。下面未再续走下去。||||[FEN\u003D4k4/6P2/9/4P4/2b6/2B6/C8/3p5/5p3/4Kc3 b - - 19 20]基于原先拆解结果黑胜想到这个局面[/FEN]，目的是下步马上退炮至帅前再看机会平至八二位或九二位，防止黑方的二鬼拍门。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_39]诠正着法||||从这里开始细拆解。或从第14回合开始，看黑能否变招。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_40]这步若卒6平5，应该马上和。未拆解。||||早先的诠注本和法和先前拆解的和法都是黑卒换红炮，最后守和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_41]这局面红能否走成？||这局面红能否守和？||||拆解时参考用：||||第25回合红应炮八平五仍和，第21回合黑炮6平9，如红仍然用炮走闲着则负。||||可能要在23或24回合提前炮平五\u003F[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_42][FEN\u003D2b6/3k1P3/9/3P5/9/2B6/3c5/9/5p3/3K5 w - - 4 33]暂拆解出的该路和棋主变着法？[/FEN]，[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_46]有步黑炮平7路再退一逼兑红炮的棋。黑是否可行。可行的话又成黑胜了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_50]这步黑有否变招余地。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_52]目的是黑卒下步平中做杀。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_52]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_53]诠正着法[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_66]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_66]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_54]另一论友也拆解到这一路变化中，后经 yjr123指出，红还可胜了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_54]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_59]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_59]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_55]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_55]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22_63]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment22_63]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22_64]||和[/DhtmlXQ_comment22_64]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23_60]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_60]
[DhtmlXQ_comment24_54]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment24_54]
[DhtmlXQ_comment24_55]yjr123指出仍然和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment24_55]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25_56]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment25_56]
[DhtmlXQ_comment26_52]再退炮想办法灭兵。||||红两兵换一象，应和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment26_52]
[DhtmlXQ_comment27_53]红优。应可胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment27_53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment28_57]不变作和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment28_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29_56]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_56]
[DhtmlXQ_comment30_62]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment30_62]
[DhtmlXQ_comment31_56]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment31_56]
[DhtmlXQ_comment32_53]劣。[/DhtmlXQ_comment32_53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment32_61]另一红兵也被灭，[/DhtmlXQ_comment32_61]
[DhtmlXQ_comment33_57]和还是黑负？黑方是一打兵一杀吧。[/DhtmlXQ_comment33_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment34_46]拆解为和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment34_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment34_51]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment34_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment35_45]直接将拆解还是不行，可能还是要继续走闲着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment35_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment35_51]红是一将一捉吧。若是再平炮走闲着，还是回到前面的局面。[/DhtmlXQ_comment35_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment36_57]一将一杀。[/DhtmlXQ_comment36_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment37_59]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment37_59]
[DhtmlXQ_comment38_62]暂到此。[/DhtmlXQ_comment38_62]
[DhtmlXQ_comment39_50]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment39_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment40_49]||還原[/DhtmlXQ_comment40_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment42_35]弈聪注：守和的关键点，不过这步飞相也可以等以后走。只要黑卒走到红士角位置前能有机会飞相，红炮可退到二路打卒就可。其余可用炮走闲着，或用炮拦黑炮。[/DhtmlXQ_comment42_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment42_39]和？好象黑可胜了。||||黑要胜就要从中路进攻，从中路进攻就要先想办法打掉红相。现在这局势黑炮打红相好象还有点机会，之前的18回合红相飞到三路是否较好。||||再注：该局面黑将再进一步后，红两兵好象都要被黑炮打掉，红炮退二守住不让黑卒再进形成二鬼拍门，已无法动了。||||分析：此时红前兵若再退后一步（19步红可不进兵，其它局面也很容易解决）？红炮若已在二路线呢？两种办法解决：1、红炮通过黑方卒线平移。往上推第16步变招一下。||[FEN\u003D2b2k3/9/6P2/4P4/9/2B6/2p1C4/9/5p3/4Kc3 b - - 17 19]2、第16回合红还是炮一平五将，之后飞相再退炮至帅前。[/FEN]||||||黑卒4进1走到红士角位，红要马上动炮至二路线才有用。现在要先平炮再退炮，慢了一步。之前先平到这边。[/DhtmlXQ_comment42_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment42_41]只能这样。炮到中间将变成一将一杀了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment42_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment42_43]走闲着，先不到中间将，让黑退炮后再到中间将不让黑象有运转的机会。黑只能退炮。[/DhtmlXQ_comment42_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment42_56]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment42_56]
[DhtmlXQ_comment43_47]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment43_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment44_43]经yjr提出下步黑可退象后，我才发现红兵好象都要被灭。黑可胜。||||||改走炮九平八走闲着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment44_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment44_44]这样如何？||||此时局面红前兵若再退后一步，要平在四路才有用（黑炮在6路无法平）。第19回合红无法变招，||||||另一思路是红后兵不进，用炮想办法把黑6路赶到7路线，看很否守住。[/DhtmlXQ_comment44_44]
[DhtmlXQ_comment44_46]这局势对红不利，红兵都要被打掉。[/DhtmlXQ_comment44_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment44_72]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment44_72]
[DhtmlXQ_comment45_50]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment45_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment46_57]以下看红兵是否能被打掉。黑炮回中路，黑象飞中。[/DhtmlXQ_comment46_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment46_79]应该已和。||||这样成和的话我觉得该变应该算最复杂的，可列为主变。[/DhtmlXQ_comment46_79]
[DhtmlXQ_comment47_45]红一将一杀。[/DhtmlXQ_comment47_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment48_42]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment48_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment50_28]下会走成相同局面，暂删去。[/DhtmlXQ_comment50_28]
[DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment51_61]不變和[/DhtmlXQ_comment51_61]
[DhtmlXQ_comment57_61]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment57_61]
[DhtmlXQ_comment55_69]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment55_69]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]删去所有旁支变化，最后会发一个汇总贴。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment34]有不同變化否||||黑象当炮架，黑炮可打红相。红相以后会飞至七路，除此飞上或飞下无多大关系，防止黑卒走中象位。可能略有不同。现拆解另一路是否可和再拆解该路不迟。||||||[FEN\u003D5k3/9/6P2/4P4/2b6/9/1p2C4/4B4/5p3/3K1c3 w - - 14 17]相同局面[/FEN]||||||该局面有相同局面，开始未加注意。原先根据各诠注本录入作为黑胜。根据论友提醒，可能略有不同。后面走炮五退二再平炮五平九的是我后来想到了，在相同局面中还未有。先复制各诠注本的着法过来拆解参考。[/DhtmlXQ_comment34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_35]？黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_39]？可否平移。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_41]之前飞相的话这步黑卒走下来后能有机会平炮打卒。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_42]此时红炮在1/2路就好了。可直接退炮打卒，往上推第17回合是否有问题？[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_45][FEN\u003D5k3/6P2/9/5P3/2b6/4C4/9/4B4/3p1p3/4K2c1 b - - 25 23]相同局面[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment1_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_46]！||||蒋朱裘版本此时走卒4平5兑子（黑飞相略有不同）。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_62]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_62]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_62]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_62]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_60]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_60]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_64]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_64]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_62]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_62]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_69]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_69]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_49]红一将一杀，必须变着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_58]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_58]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_45]下同主变。||||[FEN\u003D5k3/6P2/9/5P3/2b6/4C4/9/4B4/3p1p3/4K2c1 b - - 25 23]相同局面[/FEN]||||以下再复制。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_46]！||||蒋朱裘版本此时走卒4平5兑子（黑飞相略有不同）。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_62]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_62]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_62]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_62]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_60]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_60]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_64]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_64]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_62]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_62]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_37]原先是作为和局先放这里的。下面未再续走下去。||||[FEN\u003D4k4/6P2/9/4P4/2b6/2B6/C8/3p5/5p3/4Kc3 b - - 19 20]基于原先拆解结果黑胜想到这个局面[/FEN]，目的是下步马上退炮至帅前再看机会平至八二位或九二位，防止黑方的二鬼拍门。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_39]诠正着法||||从这里开始细拆解。或从第14回合开始，看黑能否变招。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_40]这步若卒6平5，应该马上和。未拆解。||||早先的诠注本和法和先前拆解的和法都是黑卒换红炮，最后守和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_41]这局面红能否走成？||这局面红能否守和？||||拆解时参考用：||||第25回合红应炮八平五仍和，第21回合黑炮6平9，如红仍然用炮走闲着则负。||||可能要在23或24回合提前炮平五\u003F[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_42][FEN\u003D2b6/3k1P3/9/3P5/9/2B6/3c5/9/5p3/3K5 w - - 4 33]暂拆解出的该路和棋主变着法？[/FEN]，[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_46]有步黑炮平7路再退一逼兑红炮的棋。黑是否可行。可行的话又成黑胜了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_50]这步黑有否变招余地。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_52]目的是黑卒下步平中做杀。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_52]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_53]诠正着法[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_66]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_66]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_54]另一论友也拆解到这一路变化中，后经 yjr123指出，红还可胜了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_54]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_59]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_59]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_55]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_55]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22_63]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment22_63]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22_64]||和[/DhtmlXQ_comment22_64]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23_60]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_60]
[DhtmlXQ_comment24_54]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment24_54]
[DhtmlXQ_comment24_55]yjr123指出仍然和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment24_55]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25_56]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment25_56]
[DhtmlXQ_comment26_52]再退炮想办法灭兵。||||红两兵换一象，应和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment26_52]
[DhtmlXQ_comment27_53]红优。应可胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment27_53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment28_57]不变作和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment28_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29_56]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_56]
[DhtmlXQ_comment30_62]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment30_62]
[DhtmlXQ_comment31_56]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment31_56]
[DhtmlXQ_comment32_53]劣。[/DhtmlXQ_comment32_53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment32_61]另一红兵也被灭，[/DhtmlXQ_comment32_61]
[DhtmlXQ_comment33_57]和还是黑负？黑方是一打兵一杀吧。[/DhtmlXQ_comment33_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment34_46]拆解为和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment34_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment34_51]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment34_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment35_45]直接将拆解还是不行，可能还是要继续走闲着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment35_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment35_51]红是一将一捉吧。若是再平炮走闲着，还是回到前面的局面。[/DhtmlXQ_comment35_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment36_57]一将一杀。[/DhtmlXQ_comment36_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment37_59]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment37_59]
[DhtmlXQ_comment38_62]暂到此。[/DhtmlXQ_comment38_62]
[DhtmlXQ_comment39_50]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment39_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment40_49]||還原[/DhtmlXQ_comment40_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment42_35]弈聪注：守和的关键点，不过这步飞相也可以等以后走。只要黑卒走到红士角位置前能有机会飞相，红炮可退到二路打卒就可。其余可用炮走闲着，或用炮拦黑炮。[/DhtmlXQ_comment42_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment42_39]和？好象黑可胜了。||||黑要胜就要从中路进攻，从中路进攻就要先想办法打掉红相。现在这局势黑炮打红相好象还有点机会，之前的18回合红相飞到三路是否较好。||||再注：该局面黑将再进一步后，红两兵好象都要被黑炮打掉，红炮退二守住不让黑卒再进形成二鬼拍门，已无法动了。||||分析：此时红前兵若再退后一步（19步红可不进兵，其它局面也很容易解决）？红炮若已在二路线呢？两种办法解决：1、红炮通过黑方卒线平移。往上推第16步变招一下。||[FEN\u003D2b2k3/9/6P2/4P4/9/2B6/2p1C4/9/5p3/4Kc3 b - - 17 19]2、第16回合红还是炮一平五将，之后飞相再退炮至帅前。[/FEN]||||||黑卒4进1走到红士角位，红要马上动炮至二路线才有用。现在要先平炮再退炮，慢了一步。之前先平到这边。[/DhtmlXQ_comment42_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment42_41]只能这样。炮到中间将变成一将一杀了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment42_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment42_43]走闲着，先不到中间将，让黑退炮后再到中间将不让黑象有运转的机会。黑只能退炮。[/DhtmlXQ_comment42_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment42_56]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment42_56]
[DhtmlXQ_comment43_47]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment43_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment44_43]经yjr提出下步黑可退象后，我才发现红兵好象都要被灭。黑可胜。||||||改走炮九平八走闲着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment44_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment44_44]这样如何？||||此时局面红前兵若再退后一步，要平在四路才有用（黑炮在6路无法平）。第19回合红无法变招，||||||另一思路是红后兵不进，用炮想办法把黑6路赶到7路线，看很否守住。[/DhtmlXQ_comment44_44]
[DhtmlXQ_comment44_46]这局势对红不利，红兵都要被打掉。[/DhtmlXQ_comment44_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment44_72]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment44_72]
[DhtmlXQ_comment45_50]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment45_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment46_57]以下看红兵是否能被打掉。黑炮回中路，黑象飞中。[/DhtmlXQ_comment46_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment46_79]应该已和。||||这样成和的话我觉得该变应该算最复杂的，可列为主变。[/DhtmlXQ_comment46_79]
[DhtmlXQ_comment47_45]红一将一杀。[/DhtmlXQ_comment47_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment48_42]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment48_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment50_28]下会走成相同局面，暂删去。[/DhtmlXQ_comment50_28]
[DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment51_61]不變和[/DhtmlXQ_comment51_61]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]删去所有旁支变化，最后会发一个汇总贴。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment34]有不同變化否||||黑象当炮架，黑炮可打红相。红相以后会飞至七路，除此飞上或飞下无多大关系，防止黑卒走中象位。可能略有不同。现拆解另一路是否可和再拆解该路不迟。||||||[FEN\u003D5k3/9/6P2/4P4/2b6/9/1p2C4/4B4/5p3/3K1c3 w - - 14 17]相同局面[/FEN]||||||该局面有相同局面，开始未加注意。原先根据各诠注本录入作为黑胜。根据论友提醒，可能略有不同。后面走炮五退二再平炮五平九的是我后来想到了，在相同局面中还未有。先复制各诠注本的着法过来拆解参考。[/DhtmlXQ_comment34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_35]？黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_39]？可否平移。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_41]之前飞相的话这步黑卒走下来后能有机会平炮打卒。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_42]此时红炮在1/2路就好了。可直接退炮打卒，往上推第17回合是否有问题？[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_45][FEN\u003D5k3/6P2/9/5P3/2b6/4C4/9/4B4/3p1p3/4K2c1 b - - 25 23]相同局面[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment1_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_46]！||||蒋朱裘版本此时走卒4平5兑子（黑飞相略有不同）。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_62]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_62]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_62]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_62]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_60]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_60]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_64]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_64]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_62]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_62]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_69]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_69]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_49]红一将一杀，必须变着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_58]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_58]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_45]下同主变。||||[FEN\u003D5k3/6P2/9/5P3/2b6/4C4/9/4B4/3p1p3/4K2c1 b - - 25 23]相同局面[/FEN]||||以下再复制。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_46]！||||蒋朱裘版本此时走卒4平5兑子（黑飞相略有不同）。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_62]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_62]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_62]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_62]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_60]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_60]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_64]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_64]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_62]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_62]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_37]原先是作为和局先放这里的。下面未再续走下去。||||[FEN\u003D4k4/6P2/9/4P4/2b6/2B6/C8/3p5/5p3/4Kc3 b - - 19 20]基于原先拆解结果黑胜想到这个局面[/FEN]，目的是下步马上退炮至帅前再看机会平至八二位或九二位，防止黑方的二鬼拍门。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_39]诠正着法||||从这里开始细拆解。或从第14回合开始，看黑能否变招。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_40]这步若卒6平5，应该马上和。未拆解。||||早先的诠注本和法和先前拆解的和法都是黑卒换红炮，最后守和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_41]这局面红能否走成？||这局面红能否守和？||||拆解时参考用：||||第25回合红应炮八平五仍和，第21回合黑炮6平9，如红仍然用炮走闲着则负。||||可能要在23或24回合提前炮平五\u003F[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_42][FEN\u003D2b6/3k1P3/9/3P5/9/2B6/3c5/9/5p3/3K5 w - - 4 33]暂拆解出的该路和棋主变着法？[/FEN]，[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_46]有步黑炮平7路再退一逼兑红炮的棋。黑是否可行。可行的话又成黑胜了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_50]这步黑有否变招余地。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_52]目的是黑卒下步平中做杀。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_52]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_53]诠正着法[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_66]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_66]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_54]另一论友也拆解到这一路变化中，后经 yjr123指出，红还可胜了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_54]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_59]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_59]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_55]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_55]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22_63]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment22_63]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22_64]||和[/DhtmlXQ_comment22_64]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23_60]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_60]
[DhtmlXQ_comment24_54]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment24_54]
[DhtmlXQ_comment24_55]yjr123指出仍然和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment24_55]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25_56]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment25_56]
[DhtmlXQ_comment26_52]再退炮想办法灭兵。||||红两兵换一象，应和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment26_52]
[DhtmlXQ_comment27_53]红优。应可胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment27_53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment28_57]不变作和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment28_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29_56]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_56]
[DhtmlXQ_comment30_62]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment30_62]
[DhtmlXQ_comment31_56]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment31_56]
[DhtmlXQ_comment32_53]劣。[/DhtmlXQ_comment32_53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment32_61]另一红兵也被灭，[/DhtmlXQ_comment32_61]
[DhtmlXQ_comment33_57]和还是黑负？黑方是一打兵一杀吧。[/DhtmlXQ_comment33_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment34_46]拆解为和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment34_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment34_51]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment34_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment35_45]直接将拆解还是不行，可能还是要继续走闲着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment35_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment35_51]红是一将一捉吧。若是再平炮走闲着，还是回到前面的局面。[/DhtmlXQ_comment35_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment36_57]一将一杀。[/DhtmlXQ_comment36_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment37_59]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment37_59]
[DhtmlXQ_comment38_62]暂到此。[/DhtmlXQ_comment38_62]
[DhtmlXQ_comment39_50]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment39_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment40_49]||還原[/DhtmlXQ_comment40_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment42_35]弈聪注：守和的关键点，不过这步飞相也可以等以后走。只要黑卒走到红士角位置前能有机会飞相，红炮可退到二路打卒就可。其余可用炮走闲着，或用炮拦黑炮。[/DhtmlXQ_comment42_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment42_39]和？好象黑可胜了。||||黑要胜就要从中路进攻，从中路进攻就要先想办法打掉红相。现在这局势黑炮打红相好象还有点机会，之前的18回合红相飞到三路是否较好。||||再注：该局面黑将再进一步后，红两兵好象都要被黑炮打掉，红炮退二守住不让黑卒再进形成二鬼拍门，已无法动了。||||分析：此时红前兵若再退后一步（19步红可不进兵，其它局面也很容易解决）？红炮若已在二路线呢？两种办法解决：1、红炮通过黑方卒线平移。往上推第16步变招一下。||[FEN\u003D2b2k3/9/6P2/4P4/9/2B6/2p1C4/9/5p3/4Kc3 b - - 17 19]2、第16回合红还是炮一平五将，之后飞相再退炮至帅前。[/FEN]||||||黑卒4进1走到红士角位，红要马上动炮至二路线才有用。现在要先平炮再退炮，慢了一步。之前先平到这边。[/DhtmlXQ_comment42_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment42_41]只能这样。炮到中间将变成一将一杀了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment42_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment42_43]走闲着，先不到中间将，让黑退炮后再到中间将不让黑象有运转的机会。黑只能退炮。[/DhtmlXQ_comment42_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment42_56]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment42_56]
[DhtmlXQ_comment43_47]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment43_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment44_43]经yjr提出下步黑可退象后，我才发现红兵好象都要被灭。黑可胜。||||||改走炮九平八走闲着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment44_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment44_44]这样如何？||||此时局面红前兵若再退后一步，要平在四路才有用（黑炮在6路无法平）。第19回合红无法变招，||||||另一思路是红后兵不进，用炮想办法把黑6路赶到7路线，看很否守住。[/DhtmlXQ_comment44_44]
[DhtmlXQ_comment44_46]这局势对红不利，红兵都要被打掉。[/DhtmlXQ_comment44_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment44_72]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment44_72]
[DhtmlXQ_comment45_50]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment45_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment46_57]以下看红兵是否能被打掉。黑炮回中路，黑象飞中。[/DhtmlXQ_comment46_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment46_79]应该已和。||||这样成和的话我觉得该变应该算最复杂的，可列为主变。[/DhtmlXQ_comment46_79]
[DhtmlXQ_comment47_45]红一将一杀。[/DhtmlXQ_comment47_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment48_42]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment48_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment50_28]下会走成相同局面，暂删去。[/DhtmlXQ_comment50_28]
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