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[排局诠正] 蕉竹斋——海底捞月 黑胜?

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发表于 2018-12-25 12:07:35 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
本帖最后由 chouzhouyu 于 2019-3-20 11:53 编辑

记忆中好象在该论坛 发过该 谱,刚发找了一下我发的贴子,发现没有该谱 。昨天刚收到白老师的蕉竹斋18版新书,翻到该谱发现有路变化与朱鹤洲版本中的结论有差异。特发一  下 。

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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]分类:单车炮类.||||《蕉竹斋》中的一局,原谱红先胜,《竹香斋》与《湖涯集》中的“乌龙掉尾”与本局棋图相比,仅是黑7路象在河口而已,实质相同,结论为和棋。各谱着法均有错,和局结论正确。||百变象棋谱中有一局是红方河中象和红三路兵位置对换。||||[FEN=3P1a3/6R2/b3k4/4PP3/7P1/2B6/6c2/4B4/4p4/3K1p3 b - - 14 19]蕉竹斋第1局,红胜。[/FEN]||||[FEN=4k4/3Pa4/b3b4/3P5/6P2/2B1P4/3c4R/4B4/3p1p3/4K4 w - - 13 8]各版本认为红胜,朱鹤洲认为可和的一路着法[/FEN]待拆||||||[FEN=9/3P3P1/5k3/4P4/2b3b2/6B2/9/4B4/4p4/3K5 w - - 3 21]竹谱第1局正和[/FEN]||||[FEN=1c1k5/4PP3/8b/9/2b6/2B6/9/4B4/9/4K4 w - - 3 29]和棋主变[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5]正确.[/DhtmlXQ_comment5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13][FEN=4k1b2/3Pa4/b8/3P5/6P2/2B1P4/9/4B4/4K4/7c1 b - - 2 12]蕉竹斋第8局,红胜。[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment13]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14]古谱此着均走炮3退2,红方能够取胜![/DhtmlXQ_comment14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment62]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment62]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_40]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_38]以下同主着法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_66]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_66]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_58]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_58]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_36]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_24]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_56]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_56]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_28]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_24]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_14]古谱走法,误作和局。实则红方能够取胜。||||[FEN=6b2/2P2P3/4k4/9/2b1P4/2B3B2/4c4/9/3p5/4K4 w - - 22 25]朱鹤洲版本一路和棋着法[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment9_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_16]朱鹤洲版本认为该变可和。||||其它版本无该路着法。||||下未拆解完。最后残局为炮卒对红三兵。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_35]诠正着法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_63]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_63]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_43]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_61]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_61]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_65]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_65]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_57]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14_37]?||红兵直接失掉,红难胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14_42]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_35]??[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_57]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_43]红胜定?黑炮退回去还来得及不?[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_63]?[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_63]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_88]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_88]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_77]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_77]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_54]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_54]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_50]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_63]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_63]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23_64]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_64]
[DhtmlXQ_comment24_57]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment24_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25_42]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment25_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment26_50]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment26_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment27_44]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment27_44]
[DhtmlXQ_comment28_27]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment28_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29_37]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment30_87]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment30_87]
[DhtmlXQ_comment31_44]已和。下略。[/DhtmlXQ_comment31_44]
[DhtmlXQ_comment32_55]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment32_55]
[DhtmlXQ_comment33_57]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment33_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment34_53]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment34_53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment35_35]结论未知?一论友发的贴子,到此结束。[/DhtmlXQ_comment35_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment36_63]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment36_63]
[DhtmlXQ_comment37_77]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment37_77]
[DhtmlXQ_comment38_57]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment38_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment39_23]古谱走法。成和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment39_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment39_50][FEN=3c5/2P1k1P2/5P3/9/2b3b2/6B2/9/4B4/4p4/3K5 b - - 21 25]相同局面,和。[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment39_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment40_30]由于黑棋已无胜望.故应尽快谋和.此着应直接走炮8退8打兵,简化局势,较易和局.[/DhtmlXQ_comment40_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment40_31]朱鹤洲版版本认为红胜。||||[FEN=4Pk3/4P4/4b2c1/9/2b6/6B2/9/4B4/4p4/3K5 b - - 3 30]朱鹤洲版本红胜着法1[/FEN]||||[FEN=5kb2/3P5/5P3/9/2b6/6B2/9/4B4/4p4/3K5 b - - 0 29]朱鹤洲版本红胜着法2[/FEN]||||[FEN=5kb2/4P4/5P3/9/2b6/9/4c4/4B3B/5p3/3K5 b - - 3 30]朱鹤洲版本红胜着法3[/FEN]||||[FEN=3P1k3/4P4/9/9/5c3/6B2/9/5K3/6p2/2B6 b - - 4 33]朱鹤洲版本红胜着法4[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment40_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment40_63]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment40_63]
[DhtmlXQ_comment41_69]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment41_69]
[DhtmlXQ_comment42_61]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment42_61]
[DhtmlXQ_comment43_104]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment43_104]
[DhtmlXQ_comment44_63]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment44_63]
[DhtmlXQ_comment45_61]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment45_61]
[DhtmlXQ_comment46_67]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment46_67]
[DhtmlXQ_comment47_46]竹谱第1局正和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment47_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment48_40]竹谱四变正和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment48_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment49_44]竹谱三变正和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment49_44]
[DhtmlXQ_comment50_53][FEN=3c5/2P1k1P2/5P3/9/2b3b2/6B2/9/4B4/4p4/3K5 b - - 21 25]相同局面,和。[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment50_53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment50_58][FEN=3ck4/2P2P3/b5P1b/9/9/6B2/9/4B4/4p4/3K5 w - - 26 27]相同局面,和。[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment50_58]
[DhtmlXQ_comment50_72]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment50_72]
[DhtmlXQ_comment51_58][FEN=3ck4/2P2P3/b5P1b/9/9/6B2/9/4B4/4p4/3K5 w - - 26 27]相同局面,和。[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment51_58]
[DhtmlXQ_comment52_44]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment52_44]
[DhtmlXQ_comment53_55]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment53_55]
[DhtmlXQ_comment54_37]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment54_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment55_21][FEN=9/4k4/b8/9/7P1/2B1P4/9/4B4/4p1c2/3R1K3 b - - 0 20]蕉竹斋第2局,红胜。[/FEN]||||[FEN=9/4k4/b8/3P5/7P1/2B1P4/9/4B4/3p1K3/9 b - - 0 17]蕉竹斋第3局,红胜。[/FEN]||||[FEN=4k1b1R/3Pa4/b8/3P5/7P1/2B1P4/9/4B4/3p1pc2/4K4 b - - 18 11]蕉竹斋第5局,红胜。[/FEN]||||||[FEN=4k1b1R/3Pa4/b8/3P5/7P1/2B1P4/9/4B4/3p1pc2/4K4 b - - 14 9]相同局面[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment55_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment55_22]黑另有三种走法.[/DhtmlXQ_comment55_22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment55_39]红胜.[/DhtmlXQ_comment55_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment56_39]蕉竹斋第2局,红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment56_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment57_25][FEN=5k3/4P4/b3R4/3P5/7P1/2B1P4/9/4B4/3ppc3/5K3 b - - 0 16]蕉竹斋第4局,红胜。[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment57_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment57_35]红胜.[/DhtmlXQ_comment57_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment58_49]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment58_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment59_33]蕉竹斋第3局,红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment59_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment60_31]蕉竹斋第4局,红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment60_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment61_23][FEN=4k4/3P5/b8/9/7P1/2B1P4/9/9/4p4/3K2B2 b - - 0 21]蕉竹斋第6局,红胜。[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment61_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment61_27][FEN=4k4/3P5/4b4/9/2b1P2P1/2B6/9/4B4/5p3/3K2c2 b - - 1 21]蕉竹斋第7局,红胜。[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment61_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment61_43]红胜.[/DhtmlXQ_comment61_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment62_39]不及车四平三。[/DhtmlXQ_comment62_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment62_41]蕉竹斋第7局,红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment62_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment63_41]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment63_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment64_41]蕉竹斋第6局,红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment64_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment65_39]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment65_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment66_37]红胜.[/DhtmlXQ_comment66_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment67_29]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment67_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment68_35]蕉竹斋第5局,红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment68_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment69_23][FEN=4k1R2/3Pa4/b8/3P5/7P1/2B1P4/6c2/4B4/3p1p3/4K4 b - - 0 12]相同局面[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment69_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment69_29]车三退五亦胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment69_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment69_37]蕉竹斋第1局,红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment69_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment70_41]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment70_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment71_41]红胜.[/DhtmlXQ_comment71_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment72_29]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment72_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment73_20][FEN=4k4/3Pa4/b8/3P5/6b2/2B1P4/6c2/4B4/4pp2R/3K5 w - - 0 8]相同局面[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment73_20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment73_28]红胜.[/DhtmlXQ_comment73_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment74_29]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment74_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment75_29]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment75_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment76_37]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment76_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment77_31]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment77_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment78_33]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment78_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment79_31]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment79_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment80_31]红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment80_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment81_29]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment81_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment82_43]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment82_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment83_25]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment83_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment84_37]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment84_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment85_20][FEN=4k4/3Pa4/b8/3P5/6b2/2B1P4/6c2/4B4/4pp2R/3K5 w - - 0 8]相同局面[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment85_20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment85_28]红胜.[/DhtmlXQ_comment85_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment86_29]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment86_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment87_33]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment87_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment88_19]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment88_19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment89_50][FEN=3c5/2P1k1P2/5P3/9/2b3b2/6B2/9/4B4/4p4/3K5 b - - 21 25]相同局面,和。[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment89_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment89_68]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment89_68]
[DhtmlXQ_comment90_18]败着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment90_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment90_23]蕉竹斋第8局,红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment90_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment91_11]具体着法见车七平一。该变最后结论不一定正确,车七平一和平二实质一样。||||备注:车七平一和平二是否真的一样?在打白宏宽18年版蕉竹斋时发现车七平二单独注解着法为黑胜。||以前打谱时未仔细去想,凭感觉认为一样。待研。把车七平一的着法照搬过来。||||[FEN=4k1bR1/3Pa4/b8/3P5/7P1/2B1P4/9/4B4/4ppc2/4K4 w - - 19 11]车七平一和平二的区别[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment91_11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment91_19]?||||车七平一时该着红走车进八将军。[/DhtmlXQ_comment91_19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment91_32]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment91_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment92_22]车在一路和二路的区别。车在1路可退回守。[/DhtmlXQ_comment92_22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment92_24]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment92_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment93_23]和车七平一时的局面相同了。红胜。||||[FEN=4k1R2/3Pa4/b8/3P5/7P1/2B1P4/6c2/4B4/3p1p3/4K4 b - - 0 12]相同局面[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment93_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment94_10]即和。||||该局因红方主动,黑方可只走平炮,红车只能长捉炮,黑方为长杀。长杀对长捉,按规则可判和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment94_10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment95_58]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment95_58]
[DhtmlXQ_comment96_34]以下同主着法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment96_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment96_62]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment96_62]
[DhtmlXQ_comment97_54]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment97_54]
[DhtmlXQ_comment98_32]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment98_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment99_20]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment99_20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment100_52]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment100_52]
[DhtmlXQ_comment101_20]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment101_20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment101_24]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment101_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment102_20]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment102_20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment103_10]古谱走法,误作和局。实则红方能够取胜。||||[FEN=6b2/2P2P3/4k4/9/2b1P4/2B3B2/4c4/9/3p5/4K4 w - - 22 25]朱鹤洲版本一路和棋着法[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment103_10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment103_12]朱鹤洲版本认为该变可和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment103_12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment103_50]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment103_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment104_46]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment104_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment105_33]?||红兵直接失掉,红难胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment105_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment105_38]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment105_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment107_60]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment107_60]
[DhtmlXQ_comment108_53]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment108_53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment109_40]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment109_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment110_23]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment110_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment111_33]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment111_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment112_38]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment112_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment113_46]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment113_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment114_83]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment114_83]
[DhtmlXQ_comment115_51]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment115_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment116_53]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment116_53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment117_59]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment117_59]
[DhtmlXQ_comment118_73]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment118_73]
[DhtmlXQ_comment119_53]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment119_53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment120_19]古谱走法。成和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment120_19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment120_46][FEN=3c5/2P1k1P2/5P3/9/2b3b2/6B2/9/4B4/4p4/3K5 b - - 21 25]相同局面,和。[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment120_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment121_26]由于黑棋已无胜望.故应尽快谋和.此着应直接走炮8退8打兵,简化局势,较易和局.||||注解合并:||由于黑棋已无胜望.故应尽快谋和.此着应直接走炮8退8打兵,简化局势,较易和局.[/DhtmlXQ_comment121_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment121_27]朱鹤洲版版本认为红胜。||||[FEN=4Pk3/4P4/4b2c1/9/2b6/6B2/9/4B4/4p4/3K5 b - - 3 30]朱鹤洲版本红胜着法1[/FEN]||||[FEN=5kb2/3P5/5P3/9/2b6/6B2/9/4B4/4p4/3K5 b - - 0 29]朱鹤洲版本红胜着法2[/FEN]||||[FEN=5kb2/4P4/5P3/9/2b6/9/4c4/4B3B/5p3/3K5 b - - 3 30]朱鹤洲版本红胜着法3[/FEN]||||[FEN=3P1k3/4P4/9/9/5c3/6B2/9/5K3/6p2/2B6 b - - 4 33]朱鹤洲版本红胜着法4[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment121_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment121_59]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment121_59]
[DhtmlXQ_comment122_65]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment122_65]
[DhtmlXQ_comment123_57]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment123_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment124_100]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment124_100]
[DhtmlXQ_comment125_59]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment125_59]
[DhtmlXQ_comment126_57]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment126_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment127_63]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment127_63]
[DhtmlXQ_comment128_27]红可走兵三增二阻炮退回.黑方必须谨慎应对才可和局.[/DhtmlXQ_comment128_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment128_42]竹谱第1局正和。||||||注解合并:||和[/DhtmlXQ_comment128_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment129_33]4变着法.[/DhtmlXQ_comment129_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment129_36]竹谱四变正和。||||注解合并:||和[/DhtmlXQ_comment129_36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment130_31]3变着法.和[/DhtmlXQ_comment130_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment130_40]竹谱三变正和。||||||注解合并:||和[/DhtmlXQ_comment130_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment131_49][FEN=3c5/2P1k1P2/5P3/9/2b3b2/6B2/9/4B4/4p4/3K5 b - - 21 25]相同局面,和。[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment131_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment131_54][FEN=3ck4/2P2P3/b5P1b/9/9/6B2/9/4B4/4p4/3K5 w - - 26 27]相同局面,和。[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment131_54]
[DhtmlXQ_comment131_68]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment131_68]
[DhtmlXQ_comment132_54][FEN=3ck4/2P2P3/b5P1b/9/9/6B2/9/4B4/4p4/3K5 w - - 26 27]相同局面,和。[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment132_54]
[DhtmlXQ_comment133_40]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment133_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment134_51]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment134_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment135_33]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment135_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment136_12]2变着法.红胜.[/DhtmlXQ_comment136_12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment136_17][FEN=4k1b1R/3Pa4/b8/3P5/7P1/2B1P4/9/4B4/3p1pc2/4K4 b - - 14 9]相同局面[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment136_17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment136_18]黑另有三种走法.[/DhtmlXQ_comment136_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment136_35]红胜.[/DhtmlXQ_comment136_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment137_35]红胜.[/DhtmlXQ_comment137_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment138_31]红胜.[/DhtmlXQ_comment138_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment139_45]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment139_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment140_27]红胜.[/DhtmlXQ_comment140_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment141_39]红胜.[/DhtmlXQ_comment141_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment142_33]红胜.[/DhtmlXQ_comment142_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment143_35]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment143_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment144_33]红胜.[/DhtmlXQ_comment144_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment145_25]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment145_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment146_19][FEN=4k1R2/3Pa4/b8/3P5/7P1/2B1P4/6c2/4B4/3p1p3/4K4 b - - 0 12]相同局面[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment146_19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment146_25]车三退五亦胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment146_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment146_33]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment146_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment147_37]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment147_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment148_37]红胜.[/DhtmlXQ_comment148_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment149_25]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment149_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment150_16][FEN=4k4/3Pa4/b8/3P5/6b2/2B1P4/6c2/4B4/4pp2R/3K5 w - - 0 8]相同局面[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment150_16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment150_24]红胜.[/DhtmlXQ_comment150_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment151_25]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment151_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment152_25]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment152_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment153_33]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment153_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment154_27]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment154_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment155_29]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment155_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment156_27]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment156_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment157_27]红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment157_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment158_25]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment158_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment159_39]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment159_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment160_21]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment160_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment161_33]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment161_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment162_16][FEN=4k4/3Pa4/b8/3P5/6b2/2B1P4/6c2/4B4/4pp2R/3K5 w - - 0 8]相同局面[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment162_16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment162_24]红胜.[/DhtmlXQ_comment162_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment163_25]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment163_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment164_46][FEN=3c5/2P1k1P2/5P3/9/2b3b2/6B2/9/4B4/4p4/3K5 b - - 21 25]相同局面,和。[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment164_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment164_64]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment164_64]
[DhtmlXQ_comment165_28]黑胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment165_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment166_15]车七平一时的应招为车进底将。[/DhtmlXQ_comment166_15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment166_17]与车平一的区别,红车不能往回撤。[/DhtmlXQ_comment166_17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment166_34]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment166_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment168_19]与车七平一时局面一样。红胜。||||[FEN=4k1R2/3Pa4/b8/3P5/7P1/2B1P4/6c2/4B4/3p1p3/4K4 b - - 0 12]相同局面[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment168_19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment169_22]黑胜。||四路有红兵挡住,车不能吃士。红车平一时四路兵在二路,黑需走炮3平4挡一手。[/DhtmlXQ_comment169_22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment170_18]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment170_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment171_9]双方不变作和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment171_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment172_20]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment172_20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment173_20]黑胜.[/DhtmlXQ_comment173_20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment174_14]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment174_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment175_9]黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment175_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment176_9]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment176_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment177_4]以下红有两种走法:[/DhtmlXQ_comment177_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment177_9]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment177_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment178_5]这是古谱走法,现代诠注本认为黑接走炮3平1可和,实际上是红胜![/DhtmlXQ_comment178_5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment178_35]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment178_35]
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 楼主| 发表于 2018-12-25 19:19:10 | 显示全部楼层
刚打了一下谱,是发过。应该是回复别人的贴子。
发表于 2018-12-25 20:49:50 | 显示全部楼层
chouzhouyu 发表于 2018-12-25 19:19
刚打了一下谱,是发过。应该是回复别人的贴子。

那个别人就是我。
“乌龙蟠井”原载于《竹香斋》,局名“乌龙掉尾”,是《竹香斋》辑著者张乔栋根据古局“乌龙摆尾”稍改棋图所成,有点新意是红车七平一与车七平二的事,总体质量不如古局。
摆尾与掉尾虽不是江湖大局,近年也未见棋摊有摆的(很可能已被江湖棋人所淘汰),但真正能弄得一清二楚还是要花些时间的。
发表于 2018-12-25 20:59:49 | 显示全部楼层
“乌龙摆尾”我写的最详细时是在《百变象棋谱详解》。
 楼主| 发表于 2019-3-20 11:52:08 | 显示全部楼层
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]分类:双车类||||||[FEN=3ak4/9/3a5/9/4P4/9/9/9/3K5/1pp6 b - - 0 17]蕉竹斋第1局,和[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18]吃红边兵,并保留住自己的黑卒,可胜?[/DhtmlXQ_comment18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_33]蕉竹斋第1局,和[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_38]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_20]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_16]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_16]
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发表于 2019-3-20 14:53:10 | 显示全部楼层
应该胜不了吧
 楼主| 发表于 2019-3-20 18:39:55 | 显示全部楼层
海底捞月黑方保留住1路卒的话,红方只能进兵对攻了。黑1路卒可一直攻到红方三路线红边相位置再平黑车。红车无法拴住黑车卒。
 楼主| 发表于 2019-3-20 18:50:35 | 显示全部楼层
晚上回家再拆解一下。红帅有平中,对黑方也有牵制。
 楼主| 发表于 2019-3-22 20:42:41 | 显示全部楼层
海底捞月应为黑胜
 楼主| 发表于 2019-5-8 17:57:21 | 显示全部楼层
找不出红可和的着法。

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